Who Would Watch This?
Who Would Watch This?
Who Would Watch 'White House Down'?
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It's VSs month, actually it's now sort of 2 months, and this week we are comparing the two White House Based movies: White House Down and Olympus Has Fallen.
We are starting with White House Down (WHD), here is the plot: The president has been kidnapped, and Mr Tatum must save the day, enticed?
Either way, Oscar and Carl try and figure out who would watch this.
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My name is Oscar. My name is Carl. And this is who would watch this?
SPEAKER_00We're gonna who would watch this podcast, we watch a film, chat about the film, and then try and figure out who would watch this. Today we're talking about White House Down, which currently has a 6.3 on IMDB, a 53% on Rotten Tomatoes, and a 2.8 on Letterboxd. Oscar, what's the plot?
SPEAKER_01While on tour of the White House with his young daughter, a capital policeman springs into action to save his child and protect the president from a heavily armed group of dangerous terrorists. I'm not a big fan of terrorists personally. That's just my political opinion. I don't know where you stand. Me, not a big fan of terrorists.
SPEAKER_00We're anti-terrorism.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's nice to have a podcast that has some frickin' morals and some values, you know. I don't want to say I don't want to get ill of some other podcasts, but I don't think I've heard them say, you know, denounce terrorism.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_01A lot of them are for it. Yeah. Depending on who you're listening to. Anyone with a Squarespace sponsorship? Yeah, big terrorists over there. Unless they want to sponsor us, in which case I'll bow down to the terrorists. I'm I'm willing to uh you know to debate them, to figure it all out. Carl, before we chat about uh anti-terrorism stance, should we go to last week before we were come on the fence about the terrorism thing? Yeah, the terrorism problem. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Before we'd cracked the code and worked out how to solve it. Yeah. Uh yeah, so let's go back in time to before we'd seen White House Down, when we were trying to predict who we thought we'd watch it. Oscar. It's another versus. We've got another versus happening. Thank God, put them in the ring. We've got Olympus has fallen versus White House Down. Two of the most White House-based films you've ever seen.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And there's a film called, I think, White House. So you know that really we'd do it.
SPEAKER_00And there's that one called Dave.
SPEAKER_01We can just name other movies. Gulliver's Travels is also there. That one's not at the White House. It could be. We don't know. No one's seen it. Now, Carl, uh, you I think we are very keen for this versus one because for some reason you've some reason I'm I'm I'm telling the some reason. You're gonna find out soon. I'm using the some reason isn't similar to like that some pig. Like I'm using it in that in that way. Some reason. Some reason, like a really grandiose reason. I'm not saying like some random, I'm saying it like in the Charlotte's web for you.
SPEAKER_00Thank god you thank God you clarified. Thank you. And I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_01Thank you, sir. So, some reason we're doing this because you have a love affair with Olympus has fallen.
SPEAKER_00Yes, Olympus has fallen is pretty famously probably one of the best action movies ever made.
SPEAKER_01People have been saying that. Everyone has a poster on the wall of I want to say Gerard Butler looking angrily to the right.
SPEAKER_00Yes, that's right. It's he's always like, he's like, I've just gotten out of Lore Abiding Citizen and now I'm looking left, actually, at the White House on fire. Oh man, that's not me. A bad movie guy over here. Um I haven't seen Olympus Has Fallen in many years. I saw this twice in cinemas. Um, and so I was very keen to do this. Uh I don't know if it's going to hold up. Uh I've had a pretty uh unenjoyable day finding out that people don't like Olympus Has Fallen when I thought it was leagues and bounds ahead of White House Down. I don't truly believe Olympus has Fallen is one of the best action movies ever made, but I from memory it's very fun, it's very 90s style, it's like a little bit of a lower budget. Uh I really like it. Uh and then I think the same year, White House Down came out in the middle of the three months like in between. Yeah. Uh and it was terrible, and I hated it. Yeah. Uh so I'm very biased about the two films.
SPEAKER_01Tight. You should always be biased when you're coming into a versus month. And I'm just neutral. That's right. I've seen Niba.
SPEAKER_00Well, you have to choose my side, otherwise, what are we doing here?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly, exactly. Um, why what what's the gist? What's going on?
SPEAKER_00They're both diehard in a White House. Yeah. So thank God. Isn't it nuts that for like 30 years Hollywood hadn't done that pitch and then suddenly it was such a good pitch, two studios made it? Yeah. Nuts. Absolutely nuts.
SPEAKER_01I feel like as well that the nose strings attached to whatever the other one is for that, I feel like also came out around this exact same time, and there was a bit of like a a bit of like a hey, isn't it weird two films are pretty similar coming out at the same time? For sure. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So I'm glad I'm glad we're finally getting around to it. Just because I have an excuse to watch Olympus Fallen again. When I can make us watch a movie that I, in the back of my mind, already like, it's like you're not even doing any work.
SPEAKER_01It's a freebie because the notes are out the window. You're like, I got I remember it. I'm just watching a good film. You know, I'm just enjoying myself.
SPEAKER_00Um so Oscar, you have not seen either of these movies.
SPEAKER_01No, no, I'm pretty I'm my White House virginity is gonna be broken in the next two weeks. You ever been to Washington? Uh no, I've never I've never been to the the Capitol, you know, I've never been to DC. So really, I mean, what am I doing here? You know, this just feels pointless, you know. I know. If there was some sort of Canberra-based, you know, uh film, maybe I could really weigh in there.
SPEAKER_00Nobody'd think to do it. Yeah. I think any anybody would think to attack our capital because nobody's there.
SPEAKER_01I think you could walk in and walk. I'm pretty sure, like, when we went to as like school, you'd walk into the green room and the red room and they'd be like, here's a gun. If you want, just go nuts, you know. For sure. Who cares? Questacons on more of a lockdown. You know, you couldn't crack that back to it. Some rowdy kids running around. Slow down kids, okay? Go nuts with the parliaments. Yeah, no. So, so I'm really keen. I'm pretty, I'm pretty excited. What am I expecting? And who do I think would watch this? Ooh, great one. Um I took the words right out of my mouth. Right off the cue card. Who would watch this? I guess, honestly, political nuts. And I do think, um, you know, given the current uh climate, uh people, what's happened. Uh I'm I mean, I'm six years behind technically, but I mean those riots would have happened. Surely someone would have booed this up, you know, the day before. Yeah, they were like, what does this look like? I feel it just to get a general vibe of the of the place. You know, who would who would uh who would watch this? I guess people who are uh planning to uh invade the the uh the the White House, right?
SPEAKER_00My favorite thing is from memory, neither movie makes it look like it's hard to siege the White House.
SPEAKER_01Which, you know, maybe that's a bad thing, maybe that's a good thing. Um I mean, not if you're planning to invade the White House. In fairness, they did kind of get pretty it was pretty easy. Maybe this film, maybe this film should have a couple answers to questions to, you know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I guess I would love to interview somebody that I guess was there for both the making of these films and then there again on the 6th of January.
SPEAKER_01Boom operated midway through going, I reckon we could do this. This seems pretty piss-easy. Like if like if Channing Tatum and Gerard Butler can do it, I think we could do it. If we tried walking in through the front door, yeah, just like a bunch of us.
SPEAKER_00That's how these guys have done it. And I feel like that would I think we might succeed there too. Um, are you are you a big sort of action movie fan? What are you expecting out of these? Also, we've got two big heavyweight directors.
SPEAKER_01Uh we've got who did uh who did um Anton Fuqua.
SPEAKER_00Oh, hell yeah. Did uh Olympus has fallen, and we've got Roland Emmerich for his first. Have we done a Roland Emmerich film? We've done Godzilla.
SPEAKER_01We've done a Godzilla. I feel like we've done um uh the one in the sky. What's the fucking the the the Geostorm? Did he also do?
SPEAKER_00No, he did Moonfall. Oh, he didn't. I think somebody adjacent to him did Geostorm. I always forget. I feel like we've got 2012, and I feel like we've got I think in our versus month we're gonna be doing 2012 versus tomorrow when the war began. Oh, that's huge. Great, great. Did he do both of those? I feel like he did both of those. He did do both of those.
SPEAKER_01That's good stuff. I feel like we I feel like in my mind we've done a lot of role, but I don't maybe we haven't touched it.
SPEAKER_00And then we're gonna do his Shakespeare film Anonymous versus Shakespeare and Love. Okay. Versus Hamnet. It's gonna stick around. It's gonna be a good month.
SPEAKER_01Look, I just think Chloe Jiab dropped the ball a little bit. That's just my opinion.
SPEAKER_00Roland Emery gets a real uh Genesequa out of uh Shakespeare and his.
SPEAKER_01Here's the thing. I mean, yeah, Shakespeare's pretty good, but when Roland really starts to adapting, then it really leaps off the page. Then it really works. Yeah, you know. Carl, who would watch um The White House Down?
SPEAKER_00I think it's going to be for huge fans of Jamie Foxx. Uh I assume they're out there. He I guess they're just big fans of the movie The Soloists.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, no, yeah, soloist. Ray is also up there. Yeah. Uh his rap career when he was in uh, you know, with Kanye.
SPEAKER_00And his Netflix career. People loved Project Power.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. He's a real weird one, isn't he?
SPEAKER_00His career has not been consistent at all.
SPEAKER_01But he's done well, but I like it seems like he gets bored of just like, nope, I'm gonna start all over again. And each time he sort of does it, but you know, to what cost? What do we think of Channing Tatum? You're a Channing Tatum fan. I am comedically, he's fun. I feel like I've seen Magic Mike, so we can do a bit of drama, and then comedy-wise, he's great. And I feel like honestly, he's not utilized. Oh, I guess I haven't seen the uh what's the one? The Roofman? Yeah. I got a lot of trailers for that. A lot of trailers for that. They're really begging me to watch Roofman. I didn't watch Roofman, but I think he's good. Yeah. I think he's good.
SPEAKER_00I think he's good. I think he's good with the right director. I don't, from memory, I don't have any I can't imagine he's gonna be great in this.
SPEAKER_01No. This feels like the G.I. Joe of the United States.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, when he's asked to just sort of be there, I feel like he himself I think he's an actor that needs direction. Yeah. I don't know if he's got what it takes to just go, I've gotta, I'm just gonna run with this.
SPEAKER_01He's good comedically, and I feel like for a couple years he was like, I'm comedy gold. But yeah, no.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01He was good in um Don't Blink Twice.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Or maybe it's called Blink Twice.
SPEAKER_01I think it's I think it's I can't remember the exact one. I can't remember what the title is either. It definitely blinked twice. Yeah. But whether or not we should be doing that, or we can I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_00Well, I've seen the film and you're not meant to. Yeah. Well then it's anyone's guess, right? Yes, that's right. I really blinked on the title.
SPEAKER_01Um, but yeah, should we jump into frickin' this one? Yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah, we can do it that way. Yeah. Oh my god. Out of nowhere, a Joey King led film? I'd forgotten about this.
SPEAKER_01I went my first note is just Jay King. A lot of explanation marks. Pretty chuffed.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I'm pretty happy. We should compare first notes. Okay, huge. Because my so my first one was uh a slow pan to Joey King. This is a classic.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, mine's just Jay King and then a bunch of emojis.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, very good. Yeah. That's very good. Uh I've then also got, now that we've both seen the film, uh, my immediate next note was I've just remembered she will save this, save this building using the American flag.
SPEAKER_01Look, it's a powerful scene, and I just don't think anyone but Joey King could really, you know, live up to this. Um Joey King's in everything, and I feel like no one really knew this until the kissing booth, but she's just been she's been plowing around.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think we didn't pick up on the fact she was Dakota fannying like the 2010s. Yeah. Like, and and still is kind of she's still in things. Yeah. She just never stopped. No.
SPEAKER_01But I mean, as a child, now she's a now she's now she's a bullet train age, you know. Yeah, now she's the uglies age. Yes. You know? So she's she's flourishing. Man, I feel bad. She like worked all her way to be a lead actress and then just they got ugly. They got uglies.
SPEAKER_00I am getting to the I I fear, and I'm now gonna look it up, that she is the person we've done on the podcast. Joey King's in this? That was a big reveal. That was pretty. Well, I mean, she is like the beginning credits of the entire film. I and I forgot that she was a major player. She's like John McClane's wife's role. You know, she is she's got a human. Everyone's got a Funko pop of her, you know? It is what and you know what? I I don't know how you feel when these things happen, but it was something to me where I went, ah, a child's in this.
SPEAKER_01Um I get maybe I don't have that uh knee-jerk reaction. What what what why does that mean? I just went through it like bogged down a film.
SPEAKER_00I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Sorry, yeah. I just thought the side of a child would be like, well, this is just I was very upset. I said I thought this was an adult film. I thought this was a film's M, and therefore only 15-year-olds were allowed to star in it. That's how I assume the rating works. Um, we do get yeah, we've got Joey King, but get don't worry, Carl. She's not just it's just not just a Joey King flick. We've also got Jamie Foxx.
SPEAKER_00Yes. We've got Jamie Foxx who uh and I don't want to be mean, but I do think this is one of his worst performances. Powerful to say. What did you think? Have you seen a lot of Jamie Foxx films?
SPEAKER_01Um, I guess Django, what else? Raoul.
SPEAKER_00Big fan of the soloist.
SPEAKER_01Yep. Ray's up there, that Ray tattoo I got. It's those three. Yeah, those three. He is good in Django Unchanged. I guess the new Annie. Um yeah. Yeah. You know what? Maybe Jamie Foxx. Jamie Foxx is an odd one, isn't he? Because without Django, and I guess Ray It's an odd one. What is the career? Yeah, it's very strange. And I guess he's good in um uh the killing the boss one, the comedy one.
SPEAKER_00Oh yes, in um in uh Horrible Bosses. I forget he's even in those films. I don't. He's great in that. He's a VCR salesman.
SPEAKER_01Um let's get into this, Carl. So Jamie Foxx is the president. Uh his whole thing is like, hey, we gotta get out of a run, which is nice and topical, which is good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, crazy this movie hasn't missed a beat in 12 years. We're still on it, you know. That's still got its figure on the pulse, which is great because surprise, surprise, this movie's kind of apolitical as well. It is quite apolitical. I mean, it's apolitical in the sense that like it felt apolitical now, but it came out in a time where it probably didn't need to be apolitical, and that in itself I think is kind of funny.
SPEAKER_01It's cra kind of crazy. At one point that I get we'll find out the kind of running the driving force of the enemy is to nuke Iran, and it's is odd that it just seems kind of just like, well, that's just that's just what's happening now, you know? Yeah. Uh, but it is good stuff.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we've also got uh Maggie Gyllenhaal, who is the only woman in the film. Uh Joey King's obviously our child actress, and then we've got Maggie Gyllenhaal being the only woman. Yeah. Uh I'm not entirely sure what her role at the White House is.
SPEAKER_01No, I and I feel like this episode's gonna be an interesting one because there's gonna be a lot of us being like, I don't think that's how the White House works, but again, I have no prior knowledge. So maybe there is a room where Maggie Jillian Hall sort of just gives out people just vague directions, but then there's also another she has to chat to someone else. Seems like a lot of people, a lot of admin, you know.
SPEAKER_00Look, and I mean I get that the White House probably has a lot of people in it. I say probably. We don't know, nobody's ever been answered. Um, so we think that there is a chain of command, but is there?
SPEAKER_01Let's hypothesize. Look, I don't know. Look, the president there apparently he's the top of the chain, but how big's his chain, you know? It's kind of like how Logsby's a rope, you know? It's how long's the chain. Uh but Maggie Gillian Hall is that. Her boss is James Woods. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So I think we're meant to believe she's the only competent person here. I think so. Yes. Yes. She's a workaholic, and she's to take over for James Woods' role once he retires.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Now, James Woods, we have not seen I've not seen James Woods since Videodrome, and I guess Hercules. So I don't know what he's been doing for. He's so good in Hercules. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But I've always sort of remembered him in this movie because I don't think you ever really see James Woods in a film when he's this age. I feel like he's had because of the family guy of it all, he's had like a bit of like cultural. The only reason I think our age demo knows him is being a reoccurring character on Family Guy. Yeah. So because it's not like I I didn't watch Videodrome until like the last five years. Yeah. And then that's probably his best film. I think so, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So And it's not exactly like displaying his acting chops. It's more like this little freak of a man, you know, gets to do this, you know.
SPEAKER_00And now James Wood's second in command uh as the villain is uh Jason Clark. So this this is honestly kind of a stacked cast of nobody you ever buy a ticket for. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It really is a roster of a character actor. It really is. There's a couple of like comments, the guy from Always Sunny, who's like with the McPoyle uh brothers, who I feel like has blown up recently.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well he's in Westworld. I think he's actually always been quite good in things. Yes. Uh he's having a lot of fun here, but his his character seems to have no bearing on the plot, and he is killed.
SPEAKER_01Actually, just sorry, I mentioned I've actually sat down here and I haven't written no. What was he doing? Because he was the hack, he was the hacker. He was downloading the White House, but it seemed like he was blown up at the end. So what was his thing? He has no bear.
SPEAKER_00I think at one stage Well that is a separate hacking thing. Yes, it seems he's on his own mission. And at one stage he goes, uh, the cameras that I've put up for my own thing, the president's tripped. Yeah. And then when he goes to leave, he gets blown up. So he's in a real self-contained.
SPEAKER_01It's not his tight, you know, bow, it's just done.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. To a point when you're sort of watching the movie and you go, Well, I think cut this character then.
SPEAKER_01I think they were like, he's the only one that's kind of working. Because he is the fun, sort of, he's a bit cheeky. Yeah. So I think he's working, but yeah, no, get rid of him.
SPEAKER_00So I think the whole thing is he's wiping all of uh Richard Jenkins' bad doings so that he can't be connected. Yes. We've also got Richard Jenkins. Yes, and so I wrote down because they make a big just in terms of this is a movie that says Joey King uh has been rehearsing to wave a flag for six months, and now Channing Tatum can't go to the recital, and at the end of the movie she'll wave a flag. Yeah, and that's a great payoff. I feel like they make a big song and dance about Richard Jenkins being allergic to cats, and that never came back.
SPEAKER_01I've also written, wow, Richard Jenkins, brackets, this cat thing's gonna be a big thing.
SPEAKER_00Well, I thought for sure it was gonna be revealed at the end.
SPEAKER_01I thought come up with be almost that, like, you know, he's he's left in the cop car with it with a bunch of cats, you know. Which would feel a bit Scooby-Doo. A cat detective takes him down. Precisely, precisely.
SPEAKER_00Just extra salt on the wound, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, imagine being a terrorist uh splinter cell and then a cat takes you down. It would be it would be a fail.
SPEAKER_00I think this movie's way better if Channing Tatum is indeed a cat. Just a full, just like a snowball-style cat. Totally, 100%. Yeah. If this you know what? If this was actually just the plot of whatever the third Cats and Dogs movie was, this is a billion-dollar hit.
SPEAKER_01Would you believe that that was the third movie? But they re-dropped the ball in the direction.
SPEAKER_00I fear it's actually the second one if you've ever seen The Revenge of Kitty Galore.
SPEAKER_01I've not, but I know the sub I know the subtitle. You know, it's just very strong, so I can't not, you know.
SPEAKER_00It's it's road chip-esque.
SPEAKER_01You could never forget. Look, the squeak will really Anyway, anyway, we'll get into it. Anyway, so we've got a bunch of characters. We've also got Shanning Tatum. He's like, hey, I want to be a secret agent. At the moment, I'm sort of uh sort of a low-ranking secret agent.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I think he knows he knows someone who is second to the vice president, and she got him work with Richard Jenkins, and now he's trying to go to work for the president. Yeah. Uh we get some of the work. I think this is frankly really lazy writing, but he rocks up to the White House to find out Maggie Gyllenhall, who he knows from high school, is interviewing him. Odd connection that I don't think pays off.
SPEAKER_01No, it doesn't pay off. No. It's not like she like learns all that they were even romantic. Just sort of, you know.
SPEAKER_00You can always consolidate it so she's the one trying to get him in. Like, I don't know why he, other than the fact that I think they want his story arc of the movie to be he can't be the president's security guard by the end of the movie, he's the president's security guard. It would make more sense if his long time high school friend was the one that was like, I'll interview you, and then somebody was like, He that doesn't work out. Yeah, she's like, I'm sorry, buddy, I tried, you know, because she has faith in him the whole film, even though she's gone through a file where everybody's given him a bad Yelp review.
SPEAKER_01It is crazy that it's on his like permanent record because they all have a secret service, so they can just check out what everything's up. So he's like, So you got five from here, you've had a bunch of divorces. Imagine in a job interview, someone be like, You're a bad marital spouse.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, crazy. They also keep on being like, uh, they've said you're a bad listener, which I didn't think paid off either. I thought it was con like the president would always be like, Here's a good idea, and he's like, No, no, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Don't you read my file? I've got bad hearing. That's right. It's less of an emotional thing and more of a literal physical thing.
SPEAKER_00Now, he's brought his daughter to the White House for the job interview.
SPEAKER_01I feel like he was doubling up. I feel like he was a bit lazy. He was like, Look, I've got a job interview here, I might as well take you for a job.
SPEAKER_00Well, if I was Maggie Jill and Ho'd be like, So you brought your daughter to the interview, so I'll just add bad dad to this file, and you can give this to whoever you end up working with next. Just a thick file of just like, wow, you have my DNA on here. That's crazy. So he doesn't get the job. Yeah. Um, and just decides, hey, now I'm gonna go on tour. Yeah, I'm gonna go on a tour of the White House. Because his daughter is like a huge fan.
SPEAKER_01Mega fan of the White House. To the point that I thought Channing Tatum was trying to get the job to impress his daughter. It seems like it's just a really lucky coincidence for him. Well, he's like great, it's good that my dreams are her, like what she loves, you know? What a win.
SPEAKER_00He does something that I thought was a bad dad vibe. Hit me. What Ms. Channel? He leans forward after she gets a handful of questions right on the tour and he's like, Don't lie to me now. Do you get bullied? And I was like, whoa, rough.
SPEAKER_01Look, it's rough, but dare I say, is he wrong? You know?
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, she then turns around and goes, It's a very staunch, no. I'm a cool kid. I'm Joey King in films. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I feel like Joey King gets a bad rap, but when she's listener of White House facts, I'm a I'm enamored, okay?
SPEAKER_00Well, I think I don't love Joey King in anything. That's crazy. But I'm excited for her to be good in something.
SPEAKER_01Whoa, okay. A bit of a hate a king hater.
SPEAKER_00Like her in anything?
SPEAKER_01No, but but but one day I will, you know.
SPEAKER_00I would love her to have like a Brian Cranston.
SPEAKER_01I think she has. What's that one where she's sick?
SPEAKER_00Oh, the act? Yeah. Yeah, but nobody saw that. I didn't see that. That doesn't count. That one where she got nominated for a golden globe, that doesn't count.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I assume I assume she's got a good performance in her. So I'm happy.
SPEAKER_00That's probably what makes her like hireable now. She probably would have been a bit on the outs, and they were like, nope, you could stick around.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. You prove that you've got kissing booth in the back, and then you've also got, man, it feels anyway. Anyway, we're on the king train. Let's get off this king training.
SPEAKER_00We've got to depart the king train.
SPEAKER_01No, there is a bomb.
SPEAKER_00Um, but yeah, there's so many characters in the movie. Yeah, and there is a bomb. They bring a bomb into the center of the Capitol building. Now, I thought that when this bomb went off. I thought this needed to be like a moment. But it doesn't really matter. Nobody seems phased.
SPEAKER_01Nobody's acting like a bomb has gone off. No, and in the Capitol as well. Like, I don't know what the you we always see it on like, not the White House. What's the big white building with the big circle on the top? That blows up. I don't know what's in there. I assume the Senate. But it seems like underneath it was almost just like a general in the museum. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be honest, guys, we really did no research. Have you been to DC? The no.
SPEAKER_00Okay, but I've seen um Night of the Museum Battle of the Smithsonian. Okay. So I feel like I've got a good grasp on what Amelia Earhart's done. Totally.
SPEAKER_01It's good to have that. That's good to have that. Okay, so I was gonna say we don't have the qualifications, but obviously we do. We do.
SPEAKER_00I got given a badge when I saw the film.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, this film the the building blows up and shit goes nasty. Maggie Gyllenhaal's like, uh oh. But she's out of the car, it's like nuts.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, nuts. She was on her way home. She's already been up for 24 hours. I gotta tell you, it'd be one of those things where you go, you're in the taxi and you're just like, keep driving. Keep driving. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I don't think I saw that.
SPEAKER_00Puts her phone to do not disturb. Keep driving.
SPEAKER_01The one day she decides to take it off, like, nah, it's fine. Just don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.
SPEAKER_00Honestly, what a great character moment it would be to just turn your phone off and exit the film.
SPEAKER_01I'm off to the direct the bride, okay? I've got I got bride direct, okay?
SPEAKER_00Um, now look, I don't know if the so the plan is is Jason Clark's coming. Let's talk about the plan.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, let's talk about the plan very deeply. Let's do it in full, yeah, shall we? So we've got a good grasp on the entire film. Highest up, James Woods is the head of detail, head of the secret service. His plan, he has cancer. He goes, hey, I want to get money, and also I want a bit of revenge because my my son died in Iran. Yeah. And as a result, I want to blow up Iran.
SPEAKER_00So it's it's a really, really convoluted plan, which is he need it's a it's a handful of things that he needs. He needs $400 million to pay off all of the people that he's hired. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But he's and in terms of conspiracy theories, like I gotta tell you, you'd never want this many loose ends. You never want $400 million worth of loose ends. This is messy.
SPEAKER_00Not gonna pan out. And I'm gonna tell, I don't know if taking over the White House it might be worth more than $400 million.
SPEAKER_01I just alarms are flaring. When it the film starts with him being like, we're taking the present hostage for $400 million. You go, that's too little. That's so little. That's so rubber bank, you know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and it's also one of those things where the plan goes poorly very quickly, so everybody gets filmed on camera and put out into the news. There's no way you're gonna enjoy the $400 million so fast it all falls apart. But he needs the 400 the James Woods needs $400 million to pay off all the mercenaries. Yeah, all the mercenaries have been hired by Jason Clark, and they're all Jason Clark's best friends from war. Yep. Uh, and then he himself had his son die in the Iran war, and so he just wants to blow up Iran so that no more Americans could ever die in that war. And for him to do that and pull off the entire thing, he's hired Richard Jenkins, and they're doing a swap where Richard Jenkins is like, if you want to blow up Iran, then I'm all for that. I'm all for it if you help make me president.
SPEAKER_01Now he is third in command. I don't exactly know what it is, but essentially it's president, vice president, him. Yeah, so there's a lot of moving cogs. There's a lot of moving cogs. It seems like a high wire act that really does it needs a lot of precision. And if anything goes wrong, it must be just tits up, don't even bother trying.
SPEAKER_00Well, you'd think it would be a lot of precision, but they were able to get all these mercenaries in by being like, they're the AV team for the theatre.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'll be honest. This will I when they're just in blue jumpsuits, the White House, like, come on in, boys. What's that? You got a gun? Go nuts, I don't mind.
SPEAKER_00Well, it's also the sort of the first third of the movie, like the setup of the first 20 minutes is a lot of like secret service people bumping into the mercenaries and going, You're not meant to be here. Anyway, be careful.
SPEAKER_01It makes it feel like a pointless endeavor to not you should just invite just just storm the White House. It's fine. It seems very easy.
SPEAKER_00Doing it doing it not planned almost feels like because the thing is as Richard Jenkins' plan comes unraveled because he planned it. Yeah. There's evidence. Yeah. But had they just gone ahead of the. Should have freeballed it.
SPEAKER_01But here's the thing, the second things go awry when Joey King posts a vlog, they're just like, all right, we're gonna sort of, you know, freestyle it now. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And things sort of go poorly, but really goes pretty well, all things considered. Well, it's it's funny too because they get the president and then Channing Tatum saves the president and their entire plan's fucked. Yeah. Like within seconds of it all unfolding. Yeah. So you reckon they'd be even more on top of it. But I think they have a contingency if the president gets shot. I thought it was nuts that even James Woods was people were like, who the hell's this guy? And James Wood goes, Must be somebody from the tours. I think that's just a big leap to assume.
SPEAKER_01Are we talking about Iraq tours or we're talking about the literal White House tours? The White House tours. Oh, gotcha. Yeah, yeah, gotcha, gotcha.
SPEAKER_00He was like, You must be in a White House tour. Couldn't be anybody else that was in that day.
SPEAKER_01He's crazy. So anyway, these are the stakes. Essentially, we've got Jamie Foxx, we've got Channing Tatum, they're a little duo. We've got James Wood and his mercenaries. Yeah. Joey King is around the White House doing sort of home alone shit. Yeah. And then we've also got, I guess, Maggie Gyllenhall and the secret uh secret service team sort of trying to uh invade the White House back. That might seem way more competent. I gotta tell you, they have put no pressure on these terrorists. No. It feels like they're just like, guys, hands off, they have the White House. They immediately fold.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, everybody's quite bad at their job. They're they're and it's also odd too because at one stage the vice president's just like, I'll just become president regardless of if the president's alive or dead and just make the calls. You go, well, what's the point in even trying to seize the president back then?
SPEAKER_01Well, I think that's the I think they're being lazy. I think they go, you know what? He's probably dead. Let's enact 25th Amendment. I don't know what that is. I think it's just them being like, don't worry about it. I've got this, I've got this. You know?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and so that's sort of the playing field of the of the chess game that ensues. Yeah. And I think now is like a good time to talk about the tone of the film. Yeah, great. Um what did you think of it vibe-wise? Were you expecting this sort of cartoonish?
SPEAKER_01I was honestly a role in Emmerich, I thought it was just gonna just absolutely fuck up. Just like big. It's odd to see his style not with like 40 minutes of destruction sequences. So you're kind of like, wow, really focusing on because it's always a bit uh janky. But because you kind of have like a big explosion, you're like, yeah, you do you. So it's odd, there's a dialogue heavy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, well, you also feel like his movies he sort of tricks you into thinking they're fast paced and fun because they're usually set worldwide. And so he's got about 40 characters to chop between. Yeah. And this one has a lot that's got about 20 characters to chop between. But it's it's it's it's just a lot of like exchanges between them all without any sort of big payoff, unless like something just explodes at random. Yeah. And for a guy that's really famous for blowing up the White House in Independence Day, this is like an ugly movie as well.
SPEAKER_01This looks hideous. It feels like so it's about $150 million budget. The film is shot like I think it must be all we I think we both think it's green screen. It looks like it must be a sound stage or overlit green screen. Everyone's really overlit, but because it's the White House and it's so iconic, they've almost like added like a lot of detail to the background. Yeah. So it just looks really odd, the whole thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's like so. There's just sequences. I think the worst ones for me were anything that was shot around the gates of the White House because it's very clear they've got a green screen in the background, and then they've built fake gates, and then they've just got people running in between it all. And there's something about the depth that I think is really off. Yeah, and then it is just so bright that it there's no mood to it, and so I think all of the CGI can't be hidden.
SPEAKER_01Well, they cut in between, and like Jason and uh Jason Clark's face is like sweaty, and he's got like a beautiful light like cut between his face. You're like, wow, then you cut to outside, you're like, I don't want to see that. Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_00Every everything that's really outside, and I think that's another problem with the movie, is it's a full daytime film, and so I don't think its tension ever ramps up, and they're not able to hide a lot of the little janky.
SPEAKER_01I think the CGI would be fine if it was just dark. Yeah, no nuts.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, Olympus has fallen is a nighttime movie. Yeah, here we go with Olympus has fallen. And it's got half the budget, and it does have moments where it definitely looks horrible from memory, but uh, I think that one's able to hide a lot more by just going, this is happening at night.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So I don't know why this movie's been like, we'll do it during the day. And I think as well, one of the things that's disappointing about this movie is I think they throw away the concept of doing die hard and the white face pretty quickly.
SPEAKER_01It's really upsetting. You think that almost I I liked that almost the guards were all around it. It feels like there's no oppressive um feeling of the guards are like keeping the terrorists inside, and then the terrorists are also keeping the president inside. It feels like the willy-nilly can just run around here, you know? Which really, yeah, as you say, like you've lost your interesting concept.
SPEAKER_00It's also tough too because I I think what's great in diehard is that is obviously just a tall building, and so you're able to map it out because they're like all the hostages are on level six, he's up on level 11, he wants to get to seven to get the mic, like there's it's an easy thing to format that, but because the White House is so complex, you have no understanding of the floor plan, and so it just sort of feels like an endlessly empty home.
SPEAKER_01It does, but I think the shame is that you almost have a bit of like goodwill that people kind of roughly know vague things, yeah. Whereas really I don't think they like execute that at all. Like there's seen there's like sequences like a big staircase, you're like, I don't know what that is. What are you doing here? You know, at one point they're like, we're going the two like the catacombs, which is sort of like a bit like haha, Marilyn Monroe and JFK. They were fucking under tunnels, but really they were. But they actually were.
SPEAKER_00Are they not any more fun rooms in the White House? Because you'd think that they'd be like, Oh, well, and we'll do like a serious piece of business, okay, Carl?
SPEAKER_01Has it got a jumpy bouncy castle for you, huh? Huh? Huh?
SPEAKER_00But that would be fun. Yeah. Surely the president's got like a lolly room or a candy room or a Willy Wonker-esque room.
SPEAKER_01Sort of uh Richie Rich McDonald's-esque room, you know? That's what I've been begging for.
SPEAKER_00It was really odd to see the president so fit and healthy and so competently happy.
SPEAKER_01What a time, huh? A sprithe 40-year-old just like, should we give me the gun, I'll run around and then just no, no, no. A lot of the previous, like a lot of the last like two presidents, you they'd just be out of breath and give up. I just think I even, but like, even like George W. Bush, I still think could kind of do this. I guess, yeah, Bill Clinton. I feel like the guys at their like 50s, you're still like give them agile enough to skirt through for sure. Yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_00But it's these, it's these ones that are pushing 80s.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you're like, give that dementia patient like a gun. You're like, I don't know if we should be doing that. I don't know, that feels wrong. What if he trips and breaks a hip, you know?
SPEAKER_00It must be one of those things where I think now you could just walk in and be like, we're we're seizing you, and they'd be like, Okay.
SPEAKER_01Alright. So yeah, we've got to.
SPEAKER_00Do I have to do anything or can I just snap?
SPEAKER_01Take a straight up nap, right? Who killed the president? I think he had a stroke, sir. I think or her, that's right. The president can be whatever you want.
SPEAKER_00It's good to be looking after both of them. Exactly. And that way we're covered. Exactly. I do think it was a real shame that they they give up on the concept of doing die hard in the White House. And I think the moment they throw it away is when they get to actively leave the house to do a car chase.
SPEAKER_01The car chase at that point, like the president and Channing Tame get in the the big beast car, which is like I think it's like they are Which is, I think, fun in concept. It's a fun concept, yeah, totally. But at this point, they like they are now driving around the White House lawn, just leave. Yeah. Like I just in circles. Like I think the main thing is that the president should be out of the terrorist situation, so then he can do the command and con. But because they do this whole thing, you're like, this this is completely gone, you know? All the stakes have lost, essentially. The also they're in a tank that's like designed to be like protected, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know why I there is a throwaway line when they're gonna go through the gates, and I don't I can't remember what Jamie Foxx said. Right now, yeah. But this is like a tank. Yeah, exactly. So sure.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I thought it looked like it could probably do it. Yeah. Or at worst of the worst, you break into that, and then there's literally like a a literal army outside, ready to swarm, you know. Yeah, they'll stop two cars.
SPEAKER_00I thought this whole They had a tank. They had a tank, you're right. Yeah, this whole sequence is, I think, the worst looking of the film. Yeah. I think this is when actually no it's not. It's at the end when all of those helicopters start flying it. That's when it looked worse. The I couldn't believe the effects for this for 2013. Yeah. Because there's things like uh I said to you, like the uh Hunger Games Catching Fire, same year, smaller budget. Yeah. And like that's just shot on location.
SPEAKER_01They make a capital. I guess the problem is you can't shoot on location because even if you do like a set, it's you're so aware it's not the White House. So they've gone with just like, let's just do it all CGI, in which case just it does not look very simple.
SPEAKER_00I just think in the in the sense that, for example, there is a long sequence of three helicopters flying around Washington. Cut it. You can't afford to do it, it doesn't lend anything. It looks horrible. Them generally, as well, also showing you via the camera, because I think they want to show off the effects. It's going, look at what we can do, and you go, that doesn't look good at all.
SPEAKER_01Stop showing it. It looks like the default like after effects helicopter just sort of like put in with a green screen.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I used to be able to do this on my like in iMovie. Yeah. You know, when you could like drag it in and it would blow up something. I think we're meant to find a buddy, a buddy cop aspect to the film.
SPEAKER_01Which is a shame because they don't they don't I don't think they bother. They have a couple of bits where they're just like, you're a Republican, yeah, I'm a Democrat. I don't vote for you, which could be a bit cheeky. I think the best, I feel like Samuel L. Jackson and Samuel L. Jackson and Bruce Willis in Die Hard 3. That's a fun buddy cop.
SPEAKER_00They have great chemistry in that. Yeah. Um, yeah, I think these two have no chemistry.
SPEAKER_01No, they don't, whenever they're chatting, it's just like, I don't think. Yeah, maybe because Jamie Foxx is doing an odd performance as the president.
SPEAKER_00It is. Well, he's doing Jamie Foxx as the president. And I think Channing Tatum's doing Tatum tone down.
SPEAKER_01He's doing 21 Jump Street, yeah, sometimes, and then other times like stop that chatting, you're your magic mic in right now.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know what the it feels like they they are both just sort of doing their bare minimum version of this. Yes. And so I don't think any of them have really brought a character. But none of them are given a character. For example, I do just think Jamie Foxx has been told you're acting as the president. Yeah. We get told he does have a wife and a daughter. We barely see them. Yeah. We don't know what drives him. There's one moment where he goes, I'd like to do something as the president.
SPEAKER_01I also think the president is a surreal person. Like that is a person who gets anything they want. So it's crazy as media, like, alright, you and me, gun, let's freaking go. It's odd. I just don't think you'd get this, you know.
SPEAKER_00He's also, and I'm sorry to say, an idiot. Yeah. So in this film, there's a there's a moment when all the people on the radio, all the villains are speaking another language, and the president goes to say something, and Chadny Tatum just says, Don't do that. Yeah. And he goes, Ah, I've got to do it anyway.
SPEAKER_01And just said and just says, and then James Wood in French is like, hey, what's your last name? He goes, We've been had. Ah, fuck, you're right. Jamie Wood's like, run! Go the guns, go the kitchen, they're in the kitchen, go kill them right now. It's like okay, okay. And there's no consequences. You'd think there'd be a bit of rat-ta-ta, but no.
SPEAKER_00It's just it's just that really he should have been listened to, and Jamie Foxx didn't make a smart move. I'm also not sure what Jamie Foxx wanted to get out of it.
SPEAKER_01I think he just uh in my mind, it'd be a funny moment to be like, he knows French. Yeah, he's just bragging. Like it's odd they don't do like a bit of like, isn't the president a bit of a doofus? Because at this high level, your kind of your skill set is useless. Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, he's also more telling people what to do than doing anything himself. Yes, exactly. And so if it's just him on his own, he should be a little bit scarce.
SPEAKER_01Yes. At this point in the movie, they go, hey, let's get this vice president, let's blow up the White House. In my mind, they always go to the most extreme option.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so we've got it's funny that everybody apart from Jamie Foxx seems inept at their job.
SPEAKER_01I mean, Jamie Fox picked them. He exactly, and he's sort of at the start of the film, he's like, he's a freaking pacifist, but it seems like anybody else just wants to use a bomb. Yeah. You know?
SPEAKER_00So yeah, the the first vice president is like, let's just go in on brute force and we'll helicopter the fuck out of the wall. Uh that goes poorly. All the helicopters blow up.
SPEAKER_01The helicopters go in with a big machine gun, and one of the terrorists out the wing goes, What are you gonna do? That we've got hostages, and the helicopter's like, don't shoot. And the terrorists like, we can shoot you. They go, fuck. Yeah, and then they just missile them all.
SPEAKER_00And the vice president is just sort of sitting on his plane going, Ah, this was a bad call.
SPEAKER_01Look, in fairness, I've been in this job for five minutes. I don't think this is on me. I think it's on the last guy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. He was like, I was never- I mean, he was like, I was never gonna do the right thing here because I was set up to fail. I'm on a plan myself, I don't know what the stakes are.
SPEAKER_01Why am I in charge, really? Now, I'm not sure who blows up Air Force One. I have no idea. I assume um Richard Jenkins is a good idea. I guess Richard Jenkins has hired a machine uh a missile. Because when Air I'll be honest, it's probably the biggest surprise the film when Air Force One gets shot down, like missiles coming in. I'm like, damn, what are they gonna do? They just die. Yeah, they just died. The whole plane.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, including characters. Yeah, including uh Chaddy Tatum's friend that tried to get him the job. Dead. Dead. She and she's never mentioned again.
SPEAKER_01No, I feel like she seems to mind. I feel like she really yeah, we'll get into that. But anyway, yeah, so this plane's down. Yeah. Uh now we're on to the uh Richard Jenkins. Yeah. Richard Jenkins, like, let's just nuke it. Let's just blow up the White House.
SPEAKER_00Blow up the whole area, just kill all the hostage, kill all them, just make it a big hole in the ground, and that's a good way to start my presidency.
SPEAKER_01It is crazy because I guess he wants to be president. This you just cannot, this couldn't be good for you. No. PR-wise, you're the third choice. Yeah, and now you've blown up the White House in Washington with innocent. Like, what win do you have here that we we stop the terrorists? That's not great. It's not great.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it just won't. I don't think media's gonna be on your side, bud.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I think Jamie's like, hey, there's an election coming up. He's got maybe what, seven months, and I'm sure the most of it's just clearing up this dog shit of a uh PR cross.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Maggie Gillenhouse is sitting in the middle of it all going, This is everyone's made bad choices. Could you just not make bad choice? You know the president's alive.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it feels like all they want to do is confirm the president is dead. News outlets seconds after like I saw a bomb go off, he's probably dead.
SPEAKER_00There is a moment in the film though when the the everybody goes, Wow, the president's in the front of that car. Also, the pr by this point, the president has killed somebody. Yeah. With his bed, like murders someone.
SPEAKER_01And I I I don't know if that would do well for his uh uh um approval ratings. Yeah, yeah. I did you see the president you use an RPG to kill a terrorist? It does feel like he would get some votes, honestly.
SPEAKER_00So he's in his car, the car crashes, everybody assumes he's drowned, and then a grenade goes off, and then the whole pool house explodes. And they go, he's probably dead. Now I can understand why they've thought that. That's a lot of things to survive. But also you would think they'd just wait for a confirmation. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Just wait for anybody to get in there and work it out. Wait for everything to settle, you know? You know, you want to see a body. You want to see a body, you know? Otherwise, it does increase the vice presence of one in is nutty, you know.
SPEAKER_00And I mean, look, everybody seems against it. I think the movie is moving ahead with its plot regardless of the logic. Yeah. Uh, which you can't really fault it for. It's not telling you to take it seriously, but it is just so messy that I I can't keep up and I can't buy it. Yeah. I don't think they've given me a good enough reason to get invested and go along with. bad choices that everyone's making.
SPEAKER_01I also think Richard Jenkins should have been the vice president. I think it's crazy to go two down. At that point it's too wacky, you know? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It is a lot. And you know why I reckon they've done that? I think they just wanted the shock of blowing up Air Force One. Yeah. I think they went, that'll be a good shot in the trailer. It'll be fun to kill off that cast. Yeah. Like that'll be a good moment in the movie. And you and it just doesn't make any sense to do that. Yeah. It's it's odd that Richard Jacobs would go just annihilate the top two. The third guy is everyone's always happy to keep him in charge.
SPEAKER_01The third guy's more of like uh look it's a backup but we'll probably I assume if that ever does happen we'll have a big chat about what we should do. Like you're not just the president. I know like that's the rule but we'll probably chat it out, you know? Anyway, he's the president.
SPEAKER_00Yeah he's got nobody's happy about it. No. We're meant to believe uh that he's a good guy um but he is allergic to cats. Yeah. They should have brought a cat in here. Oh my god. Big revealing when he goes and they're like it's you we heard you sneeze on the pager.
SPEAKER_01I also love each president uh that's been anointed in has been given just a little and here your nuclear code sir. And I don't we I don't know that's exact the first thing that gets given to you.
SPEAKER_00There's got to be other information that is given surely.
SPEAKER_01But I mean I don't know maybe it is the first thing where they go you're sworn in here they are I guess if on a knee jerk reaction just if we do need to use a nuke that's the first I guess maybe that is the it is quite a a hard thing look I mean we've got the internet let's find it. I think we can just gist it president checkoff list.
SPEAKER_00Like what's the first thing you get well it can't be that because when the when the president is at his um anointment yes they don't then hand it over in front of the camera after he's sworn in and go here you go.
SPEAKER_01It feels like it'd be like a three hour after by the way I guess maybe there's gotta be other rules.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. They can't go here's the little book use these nine letters and numbers whenever you see fit.
SPEAKER_01You'd think like the the the phone codes be kind of the first thing that comes up like you know what happens if you want to call for room service, you know, all that sort of general stuff you know it feels does as you're crazy. But I guess they were on the fence about nuking Iran. So maybe they were like you know if you're you're about to use a nuke maybe it's good time.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah it is uh it does not happen upon you taking office and the actual transfer of nuclear command authority is highly specific coordinated process that strictly follows a precise sequence that is very lengthy.
SPEAKER_01Okay well it's not just a little book. It does feel like a crazy thing just like here's the little book go nuts.
SPEAKER_00Well Richard Jenkins uh gets the nuke codes and then is like pages them over to somebody. Yeah he he's actually he's he's so confident there's seven seconds until he then blows up the White House. He's like great I've got these use these to invade Iran and blow it up and then just kill the White House. He it's a it's a crazy ploy.
SPEAKER_01It almost feels like a kid thing as well because his whole thing is like all the evidence is in the White House. If I blow up the White House it's all good and you just think buddy I've emailed people you know this is on different things. I can't imagine the White House servers are like literally on top of the White House.
SPEAKER_00I wonder if it just occurred to me because if the whole plan was to blow up the White House um and maybe wear idiots for not clocking onto this potentially the mercenaries were never to get free anyway.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah I'm thinking of sort of a Joker situation.
SPEAKER_00Yeah and so now I'm thinking the hacker was blown up because that was a pre-established trap. Oh you know that might make sense that's probably that makes sense and I think when he goes oh I think that's when it clicks to him he's never going to survive.
SPEAKER_01That's true. And I do think the money is probably like a bit of like a a red herring. Again it's probably way too little money I think but it's just the convolutedness of the film because I think they think that they're saying that if the president just blows it all up everything's just a nice nice neat it's crazy of Richard Jenkins to get to the third highest position of power in America and be like if I blow up the entire White House and all the witnesses I think everyone would just sort of be okay with me being it. What did we think of James Wood's death It was powerful it was and here's the thing because he has the context of cancer yeah wouldn't you rather go this way you know he gets machine gunned from the car yeah but also hit by a car which I think is fun. There's also a really good moment in the movie when they get his wife in and they're his wife they're like walk him down his wife's like I'm so sorry John I had to tell them you have cancer and then Maggie Gyllenhall goes hey here's what your husband's doing and oh my god what a wife is just like yeah yeah give a shit if he wants to do that that's what he's up to like man we're gonna arrest you like I don't give a dog shit if he wants to blow up a run fuck you fuck you Maggie Jillenhall go do it hubby love you forever. Nuke a run fuck it avenge our boy yeah and then she leaves giving everyone the finger yeah very just like fuck you all it's fine Maggie Jillian Hall goes I think we're gonna this is gonna be a bad this is gonna be a bad Maggie Jillian hole sort of sitting there going I fear I have made the situation worse that might have been a bad call I just thought she wouldn't be into it who gave her the nuclear codes too did someone give the we anointed as the president on the way in everyone gets the nuclear codes everyone gets the codes but yeah no James Woods deaf is good I do think Joey King now the thing is Jenkins has ordered um people to blow up the White House three pilots who are trained Navy whatever they're trained sorry they're trained Air Force the president is now telling you blow up the White House they fly over to the White House and then they see Joey King waving a flag and I do love morally like but sir there's a little girl waving a flag and the president is being like blow up the White House like I just can't sir well that's yeah it it because also they don't know why yeah and so for all they know something even worse could happen.
SPEAKER_00They're just running off of the little girl being exactly what's a flag what you don't know what's going on you know yeah it's their job blow 'em up they're like we're not gonna do it there's a little girl there and then Richard Jenkins is like great we've just been fully invaded we just lost World War III that's how quickly that just happened because of your choice.
SPEAKER_01I hope you're happy that little girl was a little terrorist okay you feel you feel good they she just did 9-11 times 12 so we're fucked now that flag big bomb big bomb you idiot I've gotta use every nuke now this is the horrible world we're about to enter because you can kill that little girl also an uh um a military person like no no we can't shoot that child it's like yeah it's it's happened it's happened we have so much warfare now happening via a drone where they're like I don't feel empathy I'm killing a child I killed 30 guys we're gonna kill them yeah ah you you'll run it it's fine we'll build the books you told me to blow up this home but it sort of looked like a school so I did that one too yeah I just sort of you know I just figured you know wrap it up you know it's easier it's when it's in a bow isn't the one you wanted sir you wanted it all in a bow most warfare's bow based you want you want anything be neat and tidy the both villains are like well I'll blow up Iran and then that's a bow and then he's like and I'll blow up the White House and that's a bow. And then everybody's happy and then I have two bows and it's pretty easy to like sort of I'm two bows up how many bows did Jamie Foxx have? No bows. He was a little pacifist cunt who had lacking a bows a bunch of pens no bows.
SPEAKER_00When Richard Jenkins is taking away screaming he's going but I had two bows and they go release them and give him the nuclear codes this is a three bow presentation you're being taken into custody here are the codes you can't give away these bloody codes I mean come on I do love that the ending of this movie is like a uh a really poor soap opera play where Richard where they're like Richard Jenkins we know it's you and he's like so what?
SPEAKER_01What are you gonna do I'm the president and then Jamie Foxx is like not so fair I've been alive the whole time I don't care if the president outright who's been there for five minutes goes yeah that was my plan all along I was going to nuke around but guess what you can't because legally I'm the president.
SPEAKER_00They're also trying to set him up because they're like oh by the way the president didn't make it and he goes that's a bummer we're probably just move the troops into the Middle East then you go really that's the first you that's the first thing how how immediately evil oh yeah he's so conniving you know also I gotta tell you there is a bunch of like civilians just walking around this needs to be on lockdown. This is the worst military action that's ever been happened a bunch of just random rubble everyone's around the president's literally three meters away you think there's guns everywhere yeah nobody seems to be like looking after the president here like and considering the it turns out the president is alive you'd think more people would be aware if he was just crouching down behind a boulder. You know you'd be walking around being like isn't that the president just there?
SPEAKER_01No he died in that pool so let's looking up at them going shh shh we've got a we've got a Scooby-doo thing going on here. We're trying to make that guy had trying to get him every tourist is like you've got a hading could happen right happen right here. Yeah right here I'd hate to miss that. And then uh we didn't talk about it but God bless the tour guide who got his whole arc he murders someone tour guide uh at the start is annoyed at Joey King and then he bashes a military man in a like really just knee-jerk reaction bashes his brains in uh then at the end of the film he's like I've killed I've killed the end of the movie he then turns to Joey King's mum and is like uh I'm just gonna hit on you.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Seems like the appropriate thing to do. He's like nobody seemed to call or care when the when the bomb went off here and this everyone knows it's my place of work. I'm just gonna kill it true. It's a bit crushing you know the guy who yeah I mean that's why probably the bloodlust happened you know if you are the tour guide at the White House let us know if you're unloved at us wwwtpodcast at gmail.com I'd love to know.
SPEAKER_01I gotta tell you if someone emails in I'm not replying that's a lonely piece of shit.
SPEAKER_00Guys I'll look I'll look at what you send in market as red yeah I'll I'll I'll write back to you scene Carl who would watch White House Down and where are you gonna rank it in our in our White House uh siege films at the moment.
SPEAKER_01So right now it's number one which is great for me too me too I believe White House Down might get White House down look who is who is it for it is a very uh 2013 film which is a it's a hard thing to sort of put your I think we're still a little bit in that sort of uh that world but it is it is very much the further we're getting the more we're into the 20 2020s it's really it's starting to show itself like wow these are a little I feel like a very San Andreas pilled you know you're absolutely right there's just something very the they're bland yeah they're bland big because things are bland now yeah um but this has a different type of blandness to it that I think I feel like there's a very there's like a Netflix bland corporateness to his and this doesn't feel like it it's it's this is probably worse than that you know but but there is a definitely a a Genesis qua to it you know it does feel like something that just would be on Netflix now.
SPEAKER_00And I think that's where this sort of tier of movie has gone.
SPEAKER_01And you know I mean the something that's comparable to this would be like carry-on but I enjoyed carry-on a lot more uh which I think just goes to show what elevates him I feel like carry-on has like almost like a functional setup of a scene like hey this guy's trying to attack this person we're going to use this weapon to do like whereas this is just a bit of a chaotic mess.
SPEAKER_00You just constantly it is just explosion scalore yeah and and it's hard to say who it's probably for because I think if you like a Roland Emmerich movie I'm not sure if you're even getting that here. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So isn't it funny like in the Rolic Emmerich uh like catalogue you'd be like it's a niche film. It's sort of the diehard fans you know it really strips back the explosion it really takes a focus on the POV of the president Channing Tatum it's sort of the king of comedy of his career. Yeah exactly look it didn't do very well but you know fans have come to begrudgingly watch it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah people have insisted they've forgotten about it. Yeah look so I think in the end you're it's probably gonna be a movie that you're showing up for if you really just want a Channing Tatum movie. I think that's it feels like the G.I. Joe it feels like any of the bland action movies Channing Tatum was in this is just another one another notch on his belt. Yeah. So I think if you like that shtick you're probably gonna like this. Something I pointed out to you is I feel like the most developed character in the whole movie was James Woods. Yeah. Got a lot of screen time got a lot of character development you knew his life and people in his life way more.
SPEAKER_01And dare I say even though his uh entire motivation was to uh nuke around uh I still think he was probably the character with the most motivation you're kind of so you're kind of like in a sea of like fog of like I guess I'll I un I empathize with you not really but good for you for having some motivation that isn't just I'd love to be a have a job.
SPEAKER_00Well Channing Tatum's motivation is he wants to get his daughter and as soon as he hears the president's kidnapped he goes ah fuck I better go into this room.
SPEAKER_01I think he's a bit of like a star fucker. I think he's just like I want to be the president's like security he just wants to climb the corporate lab. Exactly he's like he's protecting the third highest guy you know why why not settle you know I agree. Look after your daughter go see some reci a flag spinning thing you know you know who who who do I think would watch this I guess not uh absentee fathers that's that's who I would say you know that's yeah I think it's I think it's for people that love an explosion as well like but not a good looking one.
SPEAKER_00I think you have to like a bad looking explosion. Yeah I think that's for you. And there's a big demo for that you know there's a big demo for that I don't mean you I think you'd also have to like something that's really you know we we sat down and we watched as a group the Charlie's Angels recently and that is very campy very action heavy very silly very stupid and then this movie is sort of all of those things as well but it hasn't got any of the camp or the style.
SPEAKER_01It really sucks isn't it because I think if they just sort of turn everything up a bit like it's very silly it's the president being abducted and it's crazy they've almost just held it back just that just a bit too far. So you never really get to the absurdistness of this and then also it being a bit silly. Like the concept is like a buddy cop with the president is quite funny.
SPEAKER_00So the fact that it's not it's like oh what have you done the fact this isn't just a straight up action comedy is is odd because when it wants you to feel tense it's nowhere near close. Uh yeah I think this is a very poor film. Yeah Oscar who would watch White House now.
SPEAKER_01Oh goodness oh goodness I mean it's not for the historians you know I think if you're a lover of the White House I guess you do have a Joey King as your POV so that might be quite refreshing it's probably for people that hate the White House. If you think that that's an eyes or you're probably gonna really enjoy this demolition series I think so I mean because really you know um Independence Day is the last film that's really destroyed the White House in a really productive way. So it's nice to see it sort of stripped down bit by bit, you know yeah I guess haters of I actually if you hate the government this one feels like a pretty anti-government one you know even if apolitical but anti-government yeah it's not fun you're gonna get to see a lot of a lot of people die in the city I gotta tell you guys politically speaking this is a bit messy. So I think it's for those who love a bit of a bit of a bit of grade. If you want to see the Secretary Defence get shot in the head you'll see that in this I guess if you're sort of edging a political assassination this one will get you through I think yeah if you wanted to invade on January 6th but didn't get to this is probably going to tickle your whistle. Yeah I think so yeah I I'll stand by you know if you're a coward and weren't there like I was then you know maybe don't Carl's shaking her head in an aff affirming way because he was also there you stand by I don't like it. You don't like it? I don't like this joke.
SPEAKER_00Yeah I don't like the government either buddy I was watching about it you know Carl what are we doing next week uh it's Olympus's Fallen we're doing the good one we're doing the great one sorry we're doing it guys this was an episode was a bit of a write off so we could freaking do the better film you know that's right I gotta tell you next week is the movie I was going God imagine we're watching White House down I think look I think watching Olympus's Fallen on its own is a really really enjoyable uh rewarding task but having had to pay the penance of watching White House down to get there I don't know maybe it's gonna lose its shine a little here's the thing we see I I do think we're gonna see with friends it'll be pretty great. I I hope so if we end up both watching it alone in separate homes without a nice group I'm probably gonna come in pretty bummed pretty bummed about it thank you