Who Would Watch 'Freddy vs. Jason'?

It’s Freddy vs. Jason, the 10th film in the A Nightmare on Elm Street universe and the 13th installment featuring Jason Voorhees, so as you can imagine, things get pretty intense. These two iconic horror villains collide in one movie, battling each other while leaving a trail of victims in their wake.

It’s VS Month, or maybe VS Two Months-ish, which is usually focused on “movie vs. movie.” But for the first entry, we’re doing “character vs. character” movie matchups with Alien vs. Predator and Freddy vs. Jason to decide which one is better and who would actually watch this.

Oscar and Carl watch these horror titans clash to figure out who would watch it.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Oscar, did you know that this episode is available to watch on YouTube?

SPEAKER_03 0:03

Yeah, I did. I we we edit it and make it. So I'm actually.

SPEAKER_00 0:06

Did you know it's also available on Spotify?

SPEAKER_03 0:08

Yeah, Carl, you're telling me these things I would know. But you know what? Who should know? The audience. They should know as well.

SPEAKER_00 0:14

And that's why we together are telling you to watch it information on YouTube and Spotify.

SPEAKER_03 0:20

Oh, okay. It's on it's on the video version of the video. Oh, the video, yeah. That's it. It's not of great quality. Yeah. But if you're listening, you can we should wrap this up. This is getting this game. This is a very long intro.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

But it's totally up to you, and you can find those links in the description. My name is Oscar. My name is Carl, and this is Who Would Watch this?

SPEAKER_03 0:37

Welcome to who watches the podcast. We watch a film, we chat at a film, and we try and figure out who would watch this.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Today we're talking about Freddy versus Jason, which currently has a 5.8 on IMDB, a 42% on Rotten Tomatoes, and a 2.8 on Letterboxd. Oscar, what's the plot?

SPEAKER_03 0:50

Carl, Freddy's back, but uh-oh, he's not that powerful. He needs to enlist the help of another murderer, Jason. Or maybe, we know we'll find out. Big twist would be if it's the ring girl. Look, and I wish it was the ring girl. No, they didn't have the rights. So maybe like pack it in, okay? Don't don't try She wasn't big yet. Yeah, yeah. IP and This is me.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

I was watching the movie and I was like, get a woman in here. Freddy versus Jason. Boo!

SPEAKER_03 1:18

I think was it Naomi, Naomi Watts? Yeah. She really brought the ring girl into the whole Zen.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

I gotta tell you if Naomi Watts was in this, much better film. Much better film.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

You'd get rid of Kelly Roland for uh for Miss Naomi. Nope, didn't say that. I'd be keeping Kelly. I'd definitely be keeping Kelly. Carl, before we get into the the the Roland experience, should we go back to last week before we'd seen the movie?

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Oh, when we were trying to predict who we thought would watch it? Yes, yes, yes. Um, Freddie versus Jason.

SPEAKER_03 1:47

Yes, Carl. Yes. Have you seen it? Have you loved it? Have you watched it?

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Yeah, I saw this young in my uh Elm Street era. Many were had one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

There's Goffs, there's you know, emos, and then there's the Elm Street boys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

We were formidable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:07

It was it was a little bit theater geeky, but it was formidable. Were you big fans of the streets or the movies, or were you just like just big fans of just general urban planning?

SPEAKER_00 2:19

Yeah, the streets. Yeah, good. You know, you hit it right off the bat. It was the streets for sure. Uh yeah, look, the have you seen any of the other street films?

SPEAKER_03 2:27

So you guys know it's a good uh podcast because you we really come with expertise. You know, actually, my POV is blank, so I'm just sort of the audience. I'm the audience.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

That's what'll be fun to find out.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

Fun to find out, and then we're also gonna find out uh if this is a good battle movie because we've already done Alien vs. Prayer.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

Yeah, where you'd also only seen one? I'd seen Alien. It's great that you're you shouldn't be on any of these.

SPEAKER_03 2:51

No, no. I feel like in my oh, I like film, and then people go, Have you seen this? I go, No. But I've checked out most of the Tubi catalog, you know. Tubi catalogue's really me.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

Yeah, when are we gonna get like Zom Vivas versus Bitch Slap?

SPEAKER_03 3:02

It's it's solid, but it's no three-star for me. You know, that's just my opinion. Uh Carl, uh, general gist. What's up with Jason and what's up with Freddie?

SPEAKER_00 3:12

The I don't think I've ever been particularly taken by the Friday 13th films. Yeah, gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

But you're an Elm Street boy. I am an Elm Street lad.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

It's a little more fun. I like dreams, it usually way more creative kills. Robert England's very good as Freddy Krueger. Yep. Um, so they're all fine. Um I don't know why there has not been a new one. I feel like somebody could easily come out and make an incredible Elm Street film. I think they did a remake in like 20, in like the early 2010s. Yeah. With um James Earl, not Jones. Who's the guy from Watchmen that did Rorschach? Do you remember that actor? He was like James O'Healy or something. He was around for a while. Yeah, he was in things. Um yeah, I don't know why they haven't done another one.

SPEAKER_03 3:55

I guess because Scream has almost like the like it could be a bit cheeky with it's like being a bit meta. Whereas I guess in this regard it's still sort of a bit a bit like, oh, you're doing like a 13th movie, how tacky almost.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Somebody could, I don't think you need I I don't there's never really been a substantial lead, so you can't really even reboot it. Yeah, you just need a guy. I think if somebody was like, oh, we're doing an Elm Street film with like practical effects and lots of like blood and gore, it would pop off.

SPEAKER_03 4:21

In my mind, it's just sort of not sore, but essentially practical effects sore. Yeah. In a sense, like, here's five creative kills with a plot, kind of right.

SPEAKER_00 4:30

It's a little bit final destination-y, yeah, cool. Just in terms of being like, it's and it's convolute- I guess the fact that it's dreams, like you can sort of make it very like horror inception. Yeah, you know, so you can be really disturbing and creative with it all. Um, but yeah, when we pitched doing this, I remembered having seen it, but yeah, in one ear, out the other. Yeah, nothing in this film left an impact on me. Oh, tight. That's good for us then. Yes. Good for an hour of chat. Yes, absolutely. It left me. When I pitched it, I was like, I can't remember anything, and thus that will fill an episode.

SPEAKER_03 5:02

Um, okay, great. And then I guess the Jason of it all. Um boring. Whoa, okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

I don't think anyone loves Jason Voorhees that much. I think he's iconic, but yeah, the design is. I think he's d any of his movies are that iconic. He kills. Yeah. Yeah. It's not, it's got a machete and a fun little hockey mark. I guess he's Jason takes Manhattan. That's iconic. That isn't really fun.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

That is iconic. That is pretty cool. I guess I guess he's just the slasher guy. Like it feels like when your mum's like, what's that? Turn off that Nintendo, you know, sort of they're still saying that, right? Turn off that slasher film, that Jason flick.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah, I think the Yeah, I don't really know what makes a Friday the 13th film. I can tell you what makes a good Elmstream film, but I don't think because there's ever been a particularly good Friday the 13th film, you can't be other than it's it's at camp and they just get slashed to bits. Yeah. And I mean, and he's not even really the original killer. So it's what what is he? He's just a guy having a bit of fun. He's just a guy having a bit of fun.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

You know, and I guess this really is a matchup that people Alien vs. Preto felt a lot more like, you know, who would win? Or it just feels a bit surreal.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Like one's different feels sexually charged for sure. Okay, great. Like as a concept.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

But you know what? Now I'm gonna jump into it.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Freddy versus Jason, you're telling me that's not like a bit of a romp, you know?

SPEAKER_03 6:25

You keep swapping around. Is it a hot porno or is it just a rump? It's a bit of both. Wow, that's funny.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

And that's what makes that's what makes a great film. Uh I looked this up though, it had a $30 million budget and like uh it made over a hundred million dollars. So people must have been excited about the two of them sharing.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

It's a fun. I guess before, like, I don't know, the internet, people had to be like, I need a producer to make this for me. And like, yeah, a lot of people were into it.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

Throwing the two together, the fact that I can't remember a single thing about them again really bodes really well for it definitely makes you think, wow, this movie couldn't ring a single interesting or iconic moment out of the film. So that's that's gonna be fun in what is like the big iconic clash of two big villains.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

Has any of these ever really worked? These clashes, these verses. Batman the Superman was and I think honestly, that title, that intrigue is never like realized, never just them fighting for two hours.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

Yeah, I think anyone wants that. No, I think the one I think people liked that that that Avengers one wasn't called like the two of them fighting. Yes. Otherwise, people would be like, This sucks. Because it's like something else, you're like, that's fine, they fight in it.

SPEAKER_03 7:28

The Civil War, I'm just you know, they're chatting.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

Yeah, they're alluding. Like, oh, this alludes to a fight. People love illusions. That's and that's a big thing about film, you know, it's visual.

SPEAKER_03 7:37

Who do you think this is gonna be for? Who would watch this? I guess uh that little rambunctious gang that's been terrorizing the streets, the Elm Street boys. Like the Hardy Boys? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're they're they're a menace and they've and they've killed already.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

That's a good point. I think the Hardy Boys versus Freddy Krueger would actually have a lot of people come out and watch it.

SPEAKER_03 7:57

A lot of people like the Eagle Boys just in general, you know, that pizzeria. Yeah. You know, that niche pizzeria.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

Yeah. Do you want to try and explain it to any of our international listeners, considering this is a with a large UK listenership?

SPEAKER_03 8:10

No, I don't think the UK. I think they, you know, here's the thing. You've got to try and I'm not going to I'm not gonna hold your hand on this Eagle Boys bit, you know? Look up our life.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Huh? If you want to find where Eagle Boys is located up and down the coast from, I don't know, early 2000s, you'll find out where we live. Exactly. It's pretty nice.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

I lived above the third one, so there you go. Uh so I guess that fan base, Carl Hood watched uh Freddy vs. Jason.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

Um, oof. I think it's gonna be for people that love horror.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

Look, and this is the good thing about the podcast. You're not getting this anywhere else.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

No, it is really what's fantastic is like obviously we sit down with notes, but the last week's segment's always fucking throw. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:56

And the entire the premise of the episode is.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

I think I don't want to do it. It is funny with these versus movies.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

You don't know.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

I don't know, Carl. I haven't seen the movie yet. I don't want to find out. I don't want to stick around either. I think when the with these movies, though, is you can tell what the purpose is because they were produced for a reason. And that is people thought it would be cool to see Freddie versus Jason.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

Totally. People who wrote into magazines.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

Yes. That's right. They would have been like, it'll be great to see like Jason in a dream. Yeah. Or see Freddie Krueger at a lake.

SPEAKER_03 9:29

The teens were demanding it. They were they were they they picketfence. There was no they picketfense Warner Brothers. They were like, I need to see him by a lakeside.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

In my mind, because I'm just sort of riffing. That's where Freddie lives. But I don't know if there's actually anything more in this film than what I don't know what cool crossover there could be. Other than being like, they're both in a dream.

SPEAKER_03 9:52

God. I mean, lucky us. We get to watch it though.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Yeah. Definitively it's for people that like dreams. And I had a dream. Nope.

SPEAKER_03 10:05

Carl, it's been a riveting week. What do we think about the decade?

SPEAKER_00 10:08

Redo it. I was picking my face. I was like. Yeah, I was trying to look thin for camera. It's like, give me 40 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

Record it though.

unknown 10:22

It's good content.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

It makes a good short. The people will want to see it. I get this in my DMs all the time on Instagram. 50 a day puke on me on video. Come on. Speaking of DMs, we have listened to the listeners and now watchers who told us we needed to step up our visual game. Which is why we've added a plant.

SPEAKER_03 10:42

It's been a big week in terms of plant buying. For sure. Yeah, things are going pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Especially when we realized I just can bring one.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

You can just bring one, which was nice uh in terms of, I guess, budget-wise. Yeah. Considering it's a zero.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Yep, for sure. So, and as you can see, our studio's gotten smaller since we moved to so you're squeezing this big of a plant between the two of us.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

It's also, I've just taken the camera, it wasn't tall enough. So really, we've but here's the thing it's we want a palm. I don't want to be able to see it. It's got to grow with us, you know? Isn't that powerful?

SPEAKER_00 11:14

I know it's and honestly, frankly, between the three of us, uh, it is indeed dying. Uh I'm in a north-facing apartment. It is not getting the sun it deserves or requires. And I've underwatered it this week.

SPEAKER_03 11:26

No, but look, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

And there's a yellow, there's a yellow leaf on it too, down the bottom. Is that cut out on the camera? I don't want people to think I'm a bad, bad leafy.

SPEAKER_03 11:34

I would segregate that leaf, just personally, but that's just my opinion on bad leaves, you know? It's like a bad apple.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

Once this happens. Okay, huge.

SPEAKER_03 11:46

I'm glad we can start. Just eat that.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

That's good improv. Do an action with it. Get it out of here.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

Carl, it's Freddie vs. Jason. Wow. As a first-time experience, never having anything with this franchise. Pretty blown away. Yeah, you were loved it.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Yeah. T2B.

SPEAKER_03 12:08

T2B.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

What do you think? In terms of look, I like I last week I said I didn't think anything iconic came out of the movie. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 12:18

Um how do you feel about that ridiculous statement?

SPEAKER_00 12:21

Uh well, I've got to tell you right now, I think Kelly Rowland should be iconic for sure. She is a confrontation with Freddy that had my jaw on the floor, and that should be making the rounds on the internet. People should be talking about that all the time. She should be asked about that in everyone. Every interview. Every interview.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

She's like, none of this. Uh here's the thing. Beyonce, she's out the window because Kelly's on this. God, wow, we.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

Kelly was like, oh, Pink Panther?

SPEAKER_03 12:47

Guess what I'm able to do? Oh, I thought we were doing a thought we do like a Pink Panther's joke. I forgot uh Miss Beyoncé was in Pink Panther.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

She was indeed the co-lead to Steve Martin.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

Oh god, it was just a good time to be Destiny's child into the city. I miss it.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

It's like if, you know, they got Billy Eilish in a broad comedy. You know, it's like if Billy Eilish was in Stop That Train or something, you know.

SPEAKER_03 13:09

I guess no, I think Billy Eilish is a bit more established. It'd be kind of it would it would be like a pink panthrist, like sort of an up and comer. Yeah. You know?

SPEAKER_00 13:15

They're like, you're you need to pretend to be in love with this now out-of-date comedian. You know, it's Chevy Chase and Pink Panthras solve a crime.

SPEAKER_03 13:23

Look, it would do well though, wouldn't it? I'd be like, I'd buy a ticket for sure.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

I now I've heard the pitch, I'd buy a ticket.

SPEAKER_03 13:30

But yeah, no, Carl, it's a pretty interesting uh premise. Yeah. Pretty good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

I really like the fact that um Freddie versus Jason, they waste no time. We get an immediately they I think they do fumble the ball by showing you better shots and kills and practical effects from all the other Nightmare on Elm Street movies. Yeah, that's a bit of a beginning.

SPEAKER_03 13:49

It's a bit of a but you know, for me personally, as a it almost like they thought that no one would have come to this that hadn't seen everything. So for me, I'm like, wow, we here's the franchise.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

I was watching it and going, This is good for Oscar. I was like this is really good for Oscar.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

That's what his whole thing is about.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

Yeah, it's good, it's quick. I still think it was a rough choice to go, let's show them some of like the best kills in the franchise. So you go, oh, I wonder what they're gonna show you in this, and it's like a CGI slug hitting a bong. Yeah, you know, it's a little bit more.

SPEAKER_03 14:17

Hang on. That that's and again, I haven't seen the other films or any other kill, but for me, it's one of my personal favorites of the franchise.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Well, you probably don't realize this, but this bong hitting slug, yeah, huge character, more fleshed out than Freddy.

SPEAKER_03 14:31

I'm glad because he deserves the world. Yeah, it's it's I couldn't tell if it was bad CGI or a beautiful creation.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

I think it might be a beautiful creation. Good. I'm glad. I know that James Cameron based the abyss on this slug.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

Yeah, yeah, no. And it he is a he's a bit of a he's a stealer. Yeah, he sure is. And it's this.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

Do you reckon that was at the time one of the worst uses of CGI?

SPEAKER_03 14:56

Or this slug.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

Well, just you know, CGI's in its uptake. You've probably got a lot of like big directors being like, I'm using it for this, and I'm using it for this, and then like, I don't know, whoever shot this like came in and was like, Well, it's gonna be a slug, he's gonna crawl in, he's gonna hit the bong, and then he's gonna leave the scene without having done anything.

SPEAKER_03 15:14

It was no, he jumped in the mouth, don't remember that?

SPEAKER_00 15:16

That was later.

SPEAKER_03 15:18

Okay, damn. Okay, yeah, that's huge. Carl, before we get into the slug whole thing, actually, we could also just talk about the fact that you are right, it does show all the kills from the last couple movies.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

They catch you up pretty quick. Yeah. Do you feel like you got all the lore that you needed to do?

SPEAKER_03 15:29

I got the gist. I I guess I got all the lore I needed. I would like to almost clarify. Now, now Freddie needs to be remembered to be in a dream. That's how he gets his power. Is that how because that's I again I'm just a little virgin when it comes to Freddie.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

You think he needs fear? Gotcha. I don't think.

SPEAKER_03 15:49

A la Monsters Inc. You know, or humour. Could he pivot to humor?

SPEAKER_00 15:54

So I think the reason they're doing this opening is and I'm going out on a limb, and hey, a better podcast would have looked it up, but I didn't think too.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

And yet no podcast has.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

So I guess we have that's why you're all here. Yeah. That's why you've come to the bottom of the barrel of podcasts because you've gone nobody else is doing it.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

It's nice we live like in a like an ecosystem that if anything better comes along, we're fucked. Yeah. You know, it's nice. It's nice.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Yeah, somebody could take out promos.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

But yeah, but no, but you just you give me the rough what you think maybe might happen.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

Well, I think Yeah. I think potentially Freddie got killed at the end of like the ninth film, and they were like, and that'll be the last one, like the final nightmare or something like that. And so this opening's only there because they've had to unkill him.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

Gotcha. From their linear plot. Because he's in hell right now, and his whole thing is that okay, I'm in hell, but I think if anyone remembers me, I could probably use that as like a tether. Yeah. And then I could probably use that to sort of, you know, jumpstart me back in.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

And so his plot is to get Jason to be resurrected.

SPEAKER_03 16:57

Now, Jason, if I'm not correct, if I'm he can't die. That's his whole thing. Yes. But he's he's popping in hell. I assume he's gonna like recharge like a good time.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

He's having a good time. Hell's chill.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

Yeah, hell is chill. So he's like, okay, uh I need someone to come back. I know Jason can come back. So I'll be like, hey Jason, I'm gonna use you to almost uh again jump start, sort of spread a rumor that it was me, and that way people will be like, Freddie, who was Freddie?

SPEAKER_00 17:25

A very violent crime on Elm Street. Somebody must have done that. Yeah, and they go, This has happened eight times before. Who is it? Who is it?

SPEAKER_03 17:33

It's kind of like the game, you know. Once you say it, then you lose. So I think that's sort of what he wants. Because then the cops go, it's probably nope, don't say his name. If you say his name, then he gets his power. Yeah. So I think that's what his whole thing is. And then Jason just like I think he gets tricked. That's not and it is nice that both alien vs. Predator, there's one that is almost like a very cunning genius, and one that is almost an animal. And both the animals I really like. I just like, you know, the Predator and Jason. I felt a maternal insight.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Also, this is the thing with Predator and Jason, is now I think that we've had our two brackets, they need to face off. Yes. Because Jason's the winner of this one. I think so, yeah. We had Predator win the last one. Yeah. So now it's time for these two to take it off. Yeah, I think so. Now, have you ever seen the I think the best uh Friday the 13th film is Jason X. Do you know Jason X?

SPEAKER_03 18:21

That's the one that comes up just after this, right? Like 2005-ish?

SPEAKER_00 18:24

Oh, maybe. I don't know. Jason X is the one in space.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

Oh, hectic. There's there's there's there's nine Elm Streets and there's 13 uh Friday the 13th, or maybe there's 14th.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

13 of them?

SPEAKER_03 18:34

Yeah, I think so, yeah. Fucking hell. It's crazy. Oh no, I think the space one was the space one.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Jason's in space. He gets frozen, he's up there.

SPEAKER_03 18:42

Sort of like the thing and like up in space.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

Yeah, it's like kind of I remember wishing it was better, but there's some really campy, silly deaths in it. Great. Him just using weird technology to get people killed. It's really good. When things were flying off the rails, that's when they were at their best. Great, great. And I think this is the beginning of stuff flying off the rails.

SPEAKER_03 18:59

Which I'm happy for, but I feel like it starts with them doing like the very cliche uh slasher things, which honestly I'm kind of happy to see. It feels funny to see, like, I'm sure in 2003 this was like hacky a bit done, but now we've kind of like it's far enough away. This is just like a fun, nostalgic romantic.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Because slashers aren't really doing this anymore. Yeah. So now you're like, this is cute. This is fun. I liked because they the they also pull the wool over your eyes. I don't know if you didn't see this coming, but when they reveal it's Jason's dream we're in, I was like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

I will I I because this is my thing, I got tricked because I imagine being like, I'm not gonna- I literally I think I wrote down I'm not gonna fall over this dream.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

I was like, this is dull. Yeah, why would they do this? What a weak opening! And then they were like, Freddie's behind it all. It's like, oh shit, I'm in.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

But yeah, no, Jason is tricked and be like, hey, go kill some guys in L Street, I'll take the cred. Uh and then we get introduced to our to our to our pals.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Yeah, so nothing upset me more than finding out these were the leads. Woofed, pretty tough. It was a tough reading.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

Kelly Rowland really does, I think, bring a lot of rat ta-ta. I don't think that's even just the rolling experience. I think that's because Kelly is a great powerful.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

I'm telling you right now, she's a star. She's a star, and I think we threw our fame behind the wrong tiles.

SPEAKER_03 20:15

Many people have been saying that. Beyonce has uh really no acting chops, but Kelly really comes with a bit of rat ta-ta.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Kelly's in here just doing, oh, I don't know, the bare minimum. And it's just a little bit more.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

No, no, no, no, no, the bare minimum, but and yet still the wrong direction. But that's still working for the film, you know.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

I don't think I think it's tough because she doesn't have any good scene partners. So when she's finally facing off against Freddy and Robert Englands, they're having it up. She's like, oh shit, I'll get in on this, I'll have some fun. Yes, let's do this.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

Because we get we get Kelly, she's our sort of like our fun friend.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

We've got the honestly, should be the lead.

SPEAKER_03 20:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

She should be the lead.

SPEAKER_03 20:57

The drip who they've got like as the lead is, I guess, like what? Like uh the like the slasher, like the final girl. The final girl.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

I don't mean it annoyed me. She was called Lori, which I think they've done as an homage to Halloween. But I was like, just any other name. Any other name.

SPEAKER_03 21:11

Mildred was right there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

Where are our millies at, huh?

SPEAKER_03 21:15

Mildred, full name. I want I want to.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

No snazz. What about Mild? Shut the f You're infuriating today. Well, you had a bad idea and I made it better.

SPEAKER_03 21:24

Sorry. Lose the rid. Okay, so we've got a why. Now we've got, now I don't know what her name was, but she was kind of the cool drunk girl with a hat. She wore a hat quite a bit. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

The one that got killed in the corn?

SPEAKER_03 21:39

In the corn, yes.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

Yeah, I loved her.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

She's from um Ginger Snaps. Yeah, cool. She's really good in ginger snaps.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

Just the cookie snaps. Yeah. Just the cookie. That's good stuff, yeah. That's nice. I was like that again. International audience.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

Then being like, oh Eagle Boys are now ginger snaps. Flip their lines up. I don't know what cuisine they're talking about. What could it possibly be? A biscuit? Yeah, I got it. A cookie?

SPEAKER_03 22:08

I gotta tell you, also picked dreadful, just dreadful uh cuisines, you know. Yeah. We have not reshired off our good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

You've never had an Eagle Boys followed by the best ginger snap, Duncton T. Oh, Duncan T. That's the Australian dream.

SPEAKER_03 22:21

Um, but yeah, no, so we've got we've got our final girl, we've got Kelly Rowland, we've got Cool Drug Hat Girl. Yeah, and then we have two boys that love to, I guess abused. They're pretty not great.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

We have our three lead women are all hanging out, they're having a great girl's night. You go, now these three work. This is a great, this is a great trilogy of characters. This is the Harry Potter of our generation. Yeah. This goes to show you can just get three Hermione's and people will be fine.

SPEAKER_03 22:44

That's what I've been saying.

SPEAKER_00 22:46

But then these two losers walk in. Yeah. And I was like, oh, for fuck's sake. If they I was hoping all five of them would get killed off, and this would be like the big opening kill. So when it turned out this is the inciting incident of the movie, devastated.

SPEAKER_03 23:00

It's devastating. However, I will say it is nice that we get rid of the two boys and are replaced with new boys. Yeah. Because these boys, I mean, even though they're classic, like, come on, let me touch your pee, let me touch your breast. I'm real drunk. So horny and so aggressive.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

Two of the horniest boys you know. Just entered the villa.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

And they, and she's he goes like, hey, you stink of cigarettes. Like, what are you doing here?

SPEAKER_00 23:26

They're so good. I you know, early 90s and 2000s movies were so good at setting up dickheads like that. They were so good at it. His first line is uh you smell of cigarettes, get out of my face.

SPEAKER_03 23:37

Go upstairs, I'm gonna fuck you raw.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

And she's like, Sorry, guys, what am I about to say? I'm sorry, I was about to drive home drunk, but now I will go upstairs to get fucked raw. Oh, and we'll leave the door open in the middle of this power outage for everyone to hear.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

It's hot, it's hot. It is, yeah, I guess I mean, like, good for society. We've moved past someone being able to openly say, like, get up there, I'm gonna, you know, but it does, it's hard to say up a douche now, you know. You gotta be more subtle with it, you know. They gotta be like, you know, forceful in an uncomfortable way.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

Yeah, I really I really liked that if you were still unsure and you were like, you know what, I don't like when people smell a cigarettes either. So I'm on this guy's side. When they finish having sex and he's like, you know, I hate being touched after we've done it. I was like, oh, okay, so there's just what is this?

SPEAKER_03 24:21

It didn't seem like they it seemed like she was a lesbian and he was gay. Thoughts? She was wearing a cool she wearing a cool hat, which you know most lesbians wear, and the gay and the guy was just like, I don't want, I don't want you to touch me.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

Yeah, it's definitely two people not in love. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

Um and maybe that's and you hate to see that in a teen romance, a teen slap.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Well, everybody's lovesick. They're like, hey, Lori, you know your old your old sling from when you were 13, how he ran off and went missing.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

And you go, yeah, and she's like, and I've never had love since. And you're like, how old are you all meant to be?

SPEAKER_03 24:53

I don't know. Were we thinking like 17, 18?

SPEAKER_00 24:55

I'm thinking 17, 18, but there's some clear 40-year-olds at the school. We'll point them out later. But the ones where I was like, what is that teacher doing here? Oh no.

SPEAKER_03 25:05

Oh my god, she's like, hey, hey, Mildred. You're like, Jesus. Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

I'm trying to blend in, kids. What did we think of JFK's death?

SPEAKER_03 25:15

But no, we do get these two the boy dies. I do find it funny that everyone's like, damn, this is the inciting incidents. Then his friend goes home.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Immediately goes home and dies.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

And then dies, and then Jason also kills the dad. Yeah. Which I thought was weird because at school the next day they're like, I can't believe Brad died. Oh, and and the other guy.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Well, they get to school and it's like a whole plot has occurred that we've missed, and they're like, Can you believe it? It turned out that other guy killed our friend, and then his dad, and then himself last night, and a nice, neat little blot. Yeah, oh yeah. You go, wow, that's bad police work.

SPEAKER_03 25:45

Drevel police work. We do realize that the police are kind of trying to cover this up, but it almost feels like it's classic small town politics.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

Yeah. I wasn't surprised.

SPEAKER_03 25:54

They always get bogged down with a murder suicide and try and spin it away from this, you know, supernatural. Every time it's classic small town bullshit. Oh, sick of it. No, that's what I'm saying, you know. That all abandoned nuclear power plants, you know, had been running amuck, you know. We also live in a small town, and this shit does not stop. And quite frankly, the mayor's not doing anything too.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

And I too am the local cop. And I haven't been lifting a finger. I mostly sit behind my desk, and when people walk in, I put the evidence in my drawer. Just scurry it away. Yeah, what'd you come in here about?

SPEAKER_03 26:30

Okay, so so at the moment, Jason's like, great, I'm killing. Uh the kills are the kills are stabby. They're fine.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

I really like the bed one, which is our our first one. I really liked the boy being snapped in half with the bed. Yep. So I thought that was a fun visual element. Yep. Um I did also really like, because we also have our first proper Freddy Kruger dream, and he has a weird, funky shadow, sort of from like Scooby-Doo that comes to life. And my favorite thing that Freddy Krueger does, that I don't believe he does in any of his other movies, but I could absolutely be wrong. He does a lot of to-camera work, there's a lot of audience work in this film. A lot of him going, I'm not strong enough yet. Jason's gonna have to do some more work up top before I can get out of this dream.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

It's good stuff. I feel like I'm really in love with this Freddy. He feels very meta Jim Carrey. Yeah. You know?

SPEAKER_00 27:21

There is something that they I think the movie does a great job of, and they say, We know these are two iconic villains, and we know they're both in the same film, but to us they're both losers. Yeah. They're both really, really fucking lame losers.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

Yeah. Jason's got way too many like parental issues. Yeah. And Freddy's just sort of a bit theoretic. It's kind of theatrical.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

I thought he was kind of pathetic.

SPEAKER_03 27:44

Whoa. Whoa, whoa. I thought he wanted it too much. I mean, his whole plot is like, remember me. It's like but bother.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

It was like, two has beans, fight it out to see who's more popular.

SPEAKER_03 27:58

They fight for scraps and a cameo subscription. You're like, oh no, goodness. Really sad.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

You know, it's like all of the it's like getting all the people from like those David Dobrik videos together, and they're like, one of them's gonna win, and you're like, yeah, but at what cost?

SPEAKER_03 28:10

Yeah, their dignity, they didn't have any left. Oh god. But yeah, no. So Freddie goes, he does a big shadow. He's like, I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna let Jason have some fun.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

Is it gonna get you? And the guy's like, no. And he's like, all right, well, Jason can get you. Jason can't. Jason's always around the corner. Yeah. I loved that. Now, were you thinking because I really liked that the movie, in comparison to uh Aliens vs. Predator, did give us both of them very quickly. They're like, let's get them both working together and into the movie very quickly.

SPEAKER_03 28:38

Doing their thing, I feel like we get we get a nice like sp spattering of dreams, and then Jason just kind of getting the kill.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

I had forgotten that there would be an actual plot as to why they would either be working together or versing each other. In the back of my mind, I thought we were going into a very lazy movie where they just said they're both both of their movies are happening at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 28:55

No, but I like that almost Freddy is using Jason as like a tool and then it's gone out of hand. Yes. And now he's like, You're stealing my fund. And I and the funda actually is pivotal. Yeah. Because if people think it's not him, he does not get the power.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

That's why I thought Freddie was pathetic. Yeah. I was like, Freddie, you're lame. People like Jason more now. Get over it.

SPEAKER_03 29:15

He's the new TikTok, he's on TikTok now, you know? He's freaking blowing up.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

He's way more trendy. He's going out to the cornfields, he's going different places. All you do is Elm Street anymore.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

It's tacky. It's tacky. I was a little confused. I did have to go stop the film at this point and then watch an entire recap of Freddy Krueger's uh timeline and then Jason's timeline because two characters were introduced in a mental asylum and were like Freddy's back. And I went, I just is this for this movie or is this an established canon? And what was it? It was not. These two are new. Yeah, they're just for this movie, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I was egg on my face.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

I thought they would be. I was like, there's no way anybody's paying enough attention for them to get anyone back. Well, I just thought we ever survived.

SPEAKER_03 29:59

No, I thought I was gonna say, I'm like, two guys left in a mental asylum and living pretty chill lives.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

Yeah, I feel like they've maybe done this. Dream Warriors, I think, is like the best Elm Street film, in my opinion. Where's that?

SPEAKER_03 30:10

Where which number is that?

SPEAKER_00 30:11

I think it's the third or fourth. It's all set in an asylum. So it's everyone that's sort of been like tortured by him, and he comes back and starts killing them all off. It has the one from the opening scene when they jump off the building. If you saw them get like taken out, it's a really good, it's a really good death. Anyway, but um, yeah, so I think they've decided to set this here because they know people liked that one, and they were like, let's do another familiar setting.

SPEAKER_03 30:34

I love that just like people love the asylum location. Yes. And that surely that's enough. Yeah. Sure that's enough. But we get these two new guys, they're our new boys. Yeah. Race. Already in big improvement.

SPEAKER_00 30:45

Yeah, and then what's good is after they establish these two new boys, they go and establish another two new boys as well back at my book.

SPEAKER_03 30:51

I was a little confused at what are because I was like, right, and the five are back in my well, more it's more of a loose seven.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:57

Because we've also got Stoner and Nerd.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

Yeah, it's a really revolving door of leads. They were like, we can't have the leads last too long.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

No, well, because I guess they have two big villains, like we're kind of just like killing this.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

Yeah, we need more and more deaths snapping it up. Our two leads are at a mental institution because they they've seen Freddy Krueger before. Yes. And I think they didn't want them spilling out secrets about Freddy, right? Yeah. So that Freddie can go away. So they tuck them.

SPEAKER_03 31:23

Yeah, so again, the they are now establishing if if the collectively ever all kids forget Freddie, he has no power. So the town has essentially drugged a bunch of children until I assume they're 18 and then they are free to be go nuts.

SPEAKER_00 31:38

I thought, while cruel, very smart move by the town.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

Yeah, look, it's a small town politics, but it's the only time you can do small town. I reckon a medium town wouldn't live for this stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

Absolutely not, but you can get away with this in a small town. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_03 31:51

I was and it was on-drugging every child with dream resistant uh pills and then locking them away.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

It's so insanely smart to do. Yeah, yeah. Just like one of the scissors, you go, yeah, that I think this town is really on top of that.

SPEAKER_03 32:04

Yeah, exactly. It's nice that they've quarantined immediately.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

I think had the dad told them what the plan was from the beginning, Lori would have been like, oh yeah, fair enough. Checks out. You said there was a there was a serial killer that attacks you through dreams, and this is our only way to protect ourselves, you'd go, fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

Yeah, we should establish Laurie's dad is almost a a red herring for just sort of he might be he might be a villain, but he's not he's not, right? No, he's not. He's he's he's drugging children for the greater good. I don't know why, but like maybe no, maybe he killed the mother. I think that's the red herring.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

But I think he killed the mum because she was having a having a No, they just say Freddie did that. No, they do say Freddie did that. Yeah, Freddie just did that. Did they oh okay, well then yeah. Which confused me. So I don't know, so is he just a cool guy? Because at one stage cool guy drugging kids, all the best do. Well, at one stage he's like, have a have a nap and we'll take care of it tomorrow. And she's like, I'm not gonna take the drugs. And he's like, Have a nap. Have a nap and we'll talk about it in the morning. Take the pills and we'll talk about it in the morning.

SPEAKER_03 33:05

Even though they don't give you any dreams, they give you a great high. And I gotta tell you, the kid the dad was just being cool.

SPEAKER_00 33:10

Well, he should have sold it on the high. Yeah, he was like, Hey, you want to have some euphoria and then we'll talk about it in the morning? And she would have been like, Okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:17

Yeah, this entire group of kids, like, oh yeah, we all did the drugs, we would do it every day.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

It's a it's a great high.

SPEAKER_03 33:23

Yeah, it's like a gang, but for dreams.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

Absolutely. He was also like, they're not free, by the way. Like you he's like, I'm giving them to me, you gotta pay me back the help.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Freddy's just like, great, I'm now out of cash, and quite frankly, they can't even kill anybody. You think I fought this house? This is a this is I am Freddie in his dreams. Like, he's like, I'm actually I've had I've actually tough times, you know. You can't even think he's still bound by the economy. What?

SPEAKER_00 33:47

I'm not gonna take you the drugs in this economy.

SPEAKER_01 33:50

What are you crazy?

SPEAKER_03 33:51

Yeah, no, whenever the economy gets bad, everyone goes, well, drugs are the first thing to go. Putting down the meth, and I'm gonna start eating rice and bean. That's me. That's me.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

Uh yeah, so we have the two boys at the battle hospital. Yeah. Um, and they is that the correct term to use? You allowed to say I think insane asylums. Maybe the loony bin able to be. The two boys from the loony bin break out with ease, which I loved. They were like, We've been trying to get out of here for years. Tonight, let's do it. And then they just absolutely race out of there with.

SPEAKER_03 34:25

They walk out the front door. They're like, Yeah, just keep taking the pills, you're good.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

I think they were like, What did you do to get out of here? I took the keys.

SPEAKER_03 34:32

Big chain, big hoop.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

I cut them off the dock. Um yeah, they walk out with ease, they find these three girls, and then like they do the smartest thing ever, which is they one, change clothes, two, go to school like nothing's happened.

SPEAKER_03 34:47

They blend in so quickly. Lori's also our protagonist is like, man, I'm kind of in this like like mourning my my dicky boyfriend, and the loony bin guy's just like, hey, so you're fucked. Phrase in your mind, gonna kill you. And she's like, Oh, this is a lot. And she's like, Don't worry, we're best friends now. I'm also 28.

SPEAKER_00 35:09

I'm so old that you're about to get a caffeine addiction. Heads up, that's the word. You'll wish you were dead. You'll wish you were dead.

SPEAKER_03 35:15

Kelly Rowland's like, get away from him, honey. She's like, No, we're the five now.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

Because her old boyfriend walks in and is like, stop scaring her. Like, it feels like it was organized to do it that way, but I don't know why these two boys would go, we should approach her good cop, bad cops. Yeah. Insane man, non-insane man.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

But then unfortunately, the nerd is definitely the worst part of this whole thing. Nerd's like, well, are you okay? And it's like, get off her persecution.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

This nerd was a great addition of a character. I thought, so this nerd has a stoner friend as well. Yeah. In addition to it.

SPEAKER_03 35:48

Who's called Reefa? I looked that up. I thought that was fun.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

See, that's a great name.

SPEAKER_03 35:51

It's just clever.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

We also get two other boys who, in my opinion, are the 40-year-olds, and they're our like town drunks.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

Town drunks, one looks like Body uh Bobby Mortihan. Yes, I thought I couldn't believe it. And they're hosting a party. Now, now again, it's such an American thing. They're just handing out flyers to everyone in the school. Yeah. Hey, come hang in the cornfield. How how we've made a circle. Yeah. We've made a circle. Come join. Uh BYO drinks, so again, there's no thing to be supplied, but just we will be in the corn circle. Now, why does this happen in America still?

SPEAKER_00 36:29

Yeah, they're constantly having a corn circle.

SPEAKER_03 36:31

That's what they think.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

Uh, was it crop cycle circle? Yeah, it's just drunk teens, you know.

SPEAKER_03 36:36

It's just they go, oh, the aliens have attacked again, and all the teenagers are like But but I guess how do you not get like Riffraff coming to your party? Because wouldn't you want popular kids coming to this? We're just handing out posters willy-nilly.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Well, yeah, but you need to bully while you're there.

SPEAKER_03 36:54

Oh, I see, gotcha. Okay, so there still is sort of school rules, and that way the bullies and sorry, the the bullied would not come.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

I don't think it matters who rocks up to your party, but your party still has to have the social hierarchy. Still has a social hierarchy. Because as soon as the nerd rocks up, he's bullied. Yeah. And they're like, oh, thank god, because we're gonna turn on each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to bullshit. You've always got to have a victim of a scapegoat, otherwise, just pandemonium.

SPEAKER_03 37:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

So I think it's really smart. I think these two drunks know how to manage a party.

SPEAKER_03 37:22

They do.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

I thought this was a good looking party. Would I attend? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:27

I mean, you you were the right age. I think you're young almost, yeah. That's the problem. Yeah. I think maybe 43.

SPEAKER_01 37:33

They would have come in, they'd be like, look at this young buck just coming in off of the streets.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

They'd be way cruel than that. They were way cruel than this. But no, they'd probably get a wedgie.

SPEAKER_00 37:43

They'd be like, look at this young buck nerd. I bet he's got underwear we can pull.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

Tidy Whitey's God, it's disgusting. American things.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

They'd be like, no, please. My mum bought me these. My name's on them.

SPEAKER_03 37:55

Now, cornfield. Jason's there. Yep. We get the two, the two uh big bullies, and we also get Hat Girl from earlier. Hat girl's murdered first.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

Yeah, she's murdered first, and then we also have the real villain of the movie who I think is glow stick guy. Yeah. That was, I thought that was out of a left field.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

That was well, is out of a cornfield. That's what it was. It was out of a cornfield. So essentially a Hat Girl has been uh knocked unconscious. Yeah. And then Glowstick Guy essentially tries to assault her. Yeah. Pretty aggressive. And even Freddy's like, I'm doing some bad things in your dreams, but you should probably get out because there is a horrid man.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

Jason makes the smart move and is like, I'm just gonna end the scene. Kills both of them.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

Which honestly, uh a me a one point for Jason. I'm kind of thinking so far he's only killed two assault. Look, he's he's only killing villains. He's three for four. He's three for four. The woman should not deserve to kill. Other than that, everyone else should be killed.

SPEAKER_00 38:46

Here's the thing with Jason, though, there's always collateral damage. Yeah. But if you looked at his pattern so far, even with him accidentally killing that girl, I think you could still make a claim for vigilante.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

I think four guys who have been a sort of vaguely rapists, yeah, and a and one victim.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

They've all got the ick, yeah, and then there's one innocent that's died.

SPEAKER_03 39:05

He's kind of in the trolley problem, but he's he's just killed all five, you know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:08

So that's not true. And so in the end, he's actually made, and that's what's good about Jason, he's ethical.

SPEAKER_03 39:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

He makes smart, ethical decisions. Totally. Freddie, never. No. He's he's not.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

Freddie was in the girl when she was doing again that. It's not on.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

So but Freddie's disappointment here is Jason gets the kill. So Freddie can't come into fruition. Yes. And that means that they now hate each other.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

Yeah, it's good fun. Yeah. It's good fun.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

I think we have the big scene. I thought this was fun with all the fire.

SPEAKER_03 39:35

I thought, yeah, so Jason's on core uh is on fire, and he's walking through the cornfield trying to kill the the party bros. Uh and I just quite like the cornfield being on fire as he walks very slowly. This is very cool.

SPEAKER_00 39:47

You can also tell he couldn't move fast because of all the padding for the stunt guy. So they were like, you have to be so slow and controlled with your fire. Yeah. And he was like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 39:56

Okay. It's quite a fun, menacing look of just a slow fire walking. Yeah, it was cool. I like it. There is a safety. Yeah, it's like that's it's also like a cropped out, like, no fire can go out of this cornfield.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

It was not only do they set the cornfield on fire, a massive massacre occurs where maybe 20 people die. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

I'll be honest, Jason does lose his ethical claim pretty quickly. He does mainly go for the vulnerable.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

Yes, I do feel unfortunately it was like four, four bad people and then like 40 good people. Yeah. So that was a bit of a bummer. But we don't think you'd still make a claim he's a vigilante.

SPEAKER_03 40:29

Yeah, so far I'm still on his side.

SPEAKER_00 40:30

So far, I'm like, this guy just hates underage drinking. Yeah. And there ain't number one. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 40:34

And there you go. He's he's you know, he's laying out the law and he and he and he's doing it at any cost.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

You can't not tell me this ain't a good guy.

SPEAKER_03 40:41

Look, in a small town, you know, I just think some of these teens should be killed.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Well, the police aren't doing anything about it. They're covering up. They must have gone to this crime scene and been like, I don't know what we're gonna tell people.

SPEAKER_01 40:51

Half the farm's on fire, there's so many dead here with a shit ton of witnesses. So many witnesses. What are we gonna fucking do about covering the top?

SPEAKER_03 41:02

Small town, but guy, this is most of the town. This is most of our generation. We're done. This is Jen. This is Alpha.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

Going to your partner, just being like, oh, what we're gonna do, gossip's gonna unravel us.

SPEAKER_02 41:14

Isn't that so good that he must be like, oh, Freddie's gonna be chatting about the weeks?

SPEAKER_03 41:19

Oh, we're trying to make a we're trying to be cool and like you know, understanded, but just go.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

The smart thing to do is run now. There's nothing we can do. Just bring all of the people.

SPEAKER_03 41:31

Like, I don't even give a shit. Fucking, he's gonna be in our dreams. He's gonna spread essentially. He's just like a he's a naughty little secret.

SPEAKER_00 41:37

Oh, I feel bad. I drugged all of those teenagers for nothing.

SPEAKER_03 41:41

So many lives we tried to save. Him just going down to his basement and just seeing rows and rows of children on a coma, just like, well, just kill them all now. Pull the plug on them all.

SPEAKER_01 41:50

Useless. You know, just wake them up even and we'll just let them dream about him too. Fuck it. Fuck it.

SPEAKER_03 41:56

Oh, it's a tough life being a cop. It's a tough life being a couple. In a small town cup. But yeah, no, things are pretty hectic. Uh Freddy's pretty strong now. Freddy's got some Freddie's Freddy's pissed. Sorry. Freddy's pissed.

SPEAKER_00 42:07

Yeah. Freddy is. Freddy's definitely upset about the situation, and he's going, I'm gonna have to take on Jason myself. Yes. So we now have our ragtag group, which is Kelly Rowland, uh Lori. Yep. Uh the nerd. Yep. The stoner. Yeah. And the insane man.

SPEAKER_03 42:26

Two insane boys.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

Yes. Now they go and have a they go and check. You know what I think is crazy after this is they then go and drop Kelly Roland home, and they're just like, we'll call you later. You go, stick together. This doesn't feel what's what's at home for her?

SPEAKER_03 42:38

Here's the thing Kelly Rowland was giving a lot that I didn't mind. I didn't mind a bit of alone time with Kelly. I felt like she was blending in the background. I'm glad she had no uptain the scene.

SPEAKER_00 42:47

Well, so the frustrating thing for me is they're like, we're gonna drop off Kelly and she's gonna do her own thing, we're not gonna see it. And I was like, ah, follow her. Yeah, let's follow her plot. It's unfortunate. Love to find out what happens. Does that character get a nose job? That was fun, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_03 43:00

Anyway, but anyway, essentially our team is like, okay, we now know there's a drug. Yeah. We've gotta get, we've gotta drug ourselves, and they go, okay, who do you want to kill first? Jason or Freddie? I think they decide Jason's probably the best one to get, and then we'll deal with Freddy.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

Yeah, so they go. At this point, they've left the other insane asylum guy at a home.

SPEAKER_03 43:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

Whose home is he at? I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, and so just in case it wasn't clear what was going on, Freddy's like, I'm gonna burn Freddy's back into this guy's back. So the cops are very aware that I'm not going anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

And at this point, the cops are being like, that's just a great story. You know, that does really well. And newspaper articles taking a picture of that, you're like, it's fucked.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

I love the one cop that came in, looked at the crime scene, and he was like, I've cracked the case. And they're sitting around and he's like, What happened is I think Freddie's resurrected Jason and has brought him back to create so he can come back to. To fruition. Everybody's like, that does check out. It's funny.

SPEAKER_03 44:03

It's quite a leap to make. It's a leap to make, but it is what the tenth of this film. So at this point, that's just this is a routine, you know, Freddy's back and he's probably conjured the dead of another IP. Yeah. Classic stuff. I just think, you know, it's a 405.

SPEAKER_00 44:18

Let's just hunker down and I think what's happened here is they just they don't think Freddy has what it takes anymore to sell his own film, and he knows he needs an IP backup. And we think potentially he would have gone to the well for Jason.

SPEAKER_03 44:33

Probably a similar 80s, 70s sort of iconic class.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

I've just talked to Halloween. They said he's not up. They said he's getting his own reboot. They said he's got his own clout.

SPEAKER_03 44:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

He said he doesn't need to be a part of it. Same with Ghostface.

SPEAKER_03 44:47

Now, is Jamie Lee Curtis in Friday the 13th? Or she's in Halloween.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

Yeah, she's the Halloween franchise.

SPEAKER_03 44:53

I feel is she not also in Friday the 13th? Is she not in 18?

SPEAKER_00 44:56

I don't think so. Kevin Bacon's the big one in Friday the 13th. Oh, thank God.

SPEAKER_03 45:00

He was in Foot Loose as well. Good for him.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Yeah. He had a God, he had a great 80s.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

He had a great 80s, and I feel like maybe that that meme of like everyone knows a Kevin Bacon. I think that it did his good career.

SPEAKER_00 45:11

They were like, you've got a cast him in selling, otherwise, how will people play the game? If you want people to remember our movie, it needs to be coming up in the Kevin Bacon game.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

Precisely, precisely. Now at this point, is it a Freddie Villie Jason? My god. It was it was pretty I I felt like we got I felt like we got more out of this than the Predator Alien.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

I think this is an odd film because it's two horror movies and yet they decide that there may be an action comedy in the middle. And I thought that was a well I enjoyed the the tonal change. I was odd.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

It was very odd.

SPEAKER_03 45:55

I get why people may have been furious at the time. Look, yeah, fares. Dare I say, how else would you present this? He's in a dream and it's like it's all ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. So when Jason goes in, so when Freddie goes into Jason's dream and they're in like the steam room, whatever the steam, the steam uh vibe, and let's all just find it out. Him being ping-ponged around, yeah, the pinball machine sound effect works. I know some people might get up in arms and go, that's not very scary.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

It got the biggest belly laugh out of me. And I was like, wow, this is such a crazy. I would love to know if this was intended or if the editor was like, look at what I just did. Look at what I just fucking did. Tell me you don't want to put this in the film.

SPEAKER_03 46:42

I just it feels that though, doesn't it? You just feel go, fuck it. It's not scary. Let's make it funny.

SPEAKER_00 46:48

But I mean, the has the movie been scary at all? Like, I think at the beginning of the city.

SPEAKER_03 46:52

It's got a slasher thing. This, but this is ridiculous. Like, what is this? Like, it's two of the strongest people in the car.

SPEAKER_00 46:58

It's so looney to well, because it has to be. It's actually just Bugs, Bunny, Vers, uh, it's also crazy to see like Freddie be like, I've got these, I've got telekinesis in here. Like, I'll just throw you around. You're like, okay. Usually he does more fun things, but I guess it's that now.

SPEAKER_03 47:13

Yeah, I guess he's like, look, it's cheaper than you know, doing it some CGI.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

Yeah, and they were like, Jason's afraid of water. And I was like, oh, that's so fucking lame.

SPEAKER_03 47:21

Well, he's afraid of water and Freddy's afraid of fire. Yeah. Doesn't really come into it, but that's that that is the stakes.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

You know, there was a line that I loved in the movie that I wish had any sort of weight on the film. And I think would probably be your big conceit, and it's only a line, which is they say because it's Freddie and Jason are coming after them, they're not safe when they're asleep, but they're not safe when they're awake. And I was like, that concept probably could sustain itself for a movie. Totally. But they haven't done anything with it. Like a whole part of the nightmare on Elm Street movies is just how horrible it is to be keeping yourself up. Like that in that's also making you insane and sick. Yeah. And so a part of it is the fight to stay awake. But what's the point of staying awake if you're in danger in any way because of Jason? Yeah. That could have been something entirely.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

Well, because then you're sort of tossing up which one's better, you know? Yeah. And then uh you might be like, let me sleep. It's probably better to be away from Jason.

SPEAKER_00 48:22

I would love it if a character chose. Yeah. They were like, Freddie, uh, Jason's about to kill him, and they're like, fuck it, I'm just gonna have to take a nap.

SPEAKER_03 48:31

Freddie's like, oh, you hit it, you're here for me? Okay, great. Uh let me do, let me just do some stuff. I'll I'll plan it out, it'll be great. He's like, Yeah, uh, you don't seem Freddy, I'll go back to Jason.

SPEAKER_00 48:39

Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm I can do like I'd be like a big bed. It's a bit more it's a bit more camp down here than I thought it was gonna be. It's a bit ridiculous, Freddie.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

It's a bit it's a bit desperate.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

I didn't think it was gonna be so Broadway down here. It's not exactly my cup of tea, Freddie. I might go back upstairs.

SPEAKER_03 48:55

Stop slurring Freddie. Stop being like, yeah, Freddie's a lot a lot barber down here, you know?

SPEAKER_00 49:02

This feels there's a show tunes esque quality to my dream right now, and I don't think you've I don't think you've nailed Freddie.

SPEAKER_03 49:08

Freddie keeps it, sorry, Jason keeps it straight, keeps it, keeps it just a sword. Just an insertion of the sword, nothing, nothing, nothing wacky.

SPEAKER_00 49:17

I'm feeling things down here I haven't confronted about myself, and I'd like to go back up top.

SPEAKER_03 49:26

Um, yeah, so Freddy gets uh ping-ponged about.

SPEAKER_00 49:30

Yeah, but they do fight for a while. They do fight for a while. It does get to I really liked um actually no I didn't. I thought this ran on too long, but I think they I think they're trying to give you your money's worth, but it was odd because I was like, have we signed up for an action movie?

SPEAKER_03 49:45

No, but I think I think the problem is we actually kind of have. Like you kind of want a Freddy versus Jason, and there's never gonna be any scary stakes to essentially the unstoppable force and the other like it's just what if they called the movie Freddie and Jason? It's too nice, isn't it? It's just Freddie and Jason.

SPEAKER_00 50:02

But I mean, do we think they did, did they need the verses?

SPEAKER_03 50:06

I think you do, because that's that's what people are having cash grabs. Yeah, people want people in seats. Yeah, other other than that, it honestly just cheapens it. Whereas now these two Titans are fighting. You want to fight, you know? Yeah, I think otherwise it could be a it could be it could be of Harry Men Sally, you know.

SPEAKER_00 50:21

It was funny when it did turn to them versing each other, because I don't think the movie was working that well when they were in tandem, and now I don't think the movie's working at all now that they're versing each other.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

My favorite thing is Kelly Rowland in the back of a van with they've drugged Jason. Yeah, I love this. So they've drugged Jason so essentially that the Jason can fight Freddie, and they're pretty much like, look, whoever wins we'll deal with the other one. Yeah. So they're kind of banking, they kind of want Jason to win. I think because they're like, we think he's easier because he's just a guy.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

Yeah, I like the concept which was if he defeats Freddie in the dream, he's gonna wake up and be at home anyway. So he'll just go back to bed. Yes. But if he doesn't defeat Freddy and he gets up because he can't be killed, he's then got the home advantage of knowing the lake. Yes, which is a hilarious conceit.

SPEAKER_03 51:11

It's a crazy conceit, but it's also great because essentially the second Jason wakes up and goes, What the fuck is going on? You guys definitely we're not on a team. I'm still I love killing teens. I'll take a pit stop.

SPEAKER_00 51:23

Yeah, it was also weird too because after doing the uh pinball gag, they then do like a one of you's gonna have to kiss Jason. Just sitting in the bed, one of you's gotta do it.

SPEAKER_03 51:34

Nerd goes, nerd goes, I got asthma, couldn't kiss him, and the kind of like for fuck's sake.

SPEAKER_00 51:38

Yeah. A wild line by the nerd earlier was when he was like, Yeah, I've paid for a hooker. It's like, okay. Yeah, what an oversharing.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

Tossing up like who's the virgin's like, don't look at me, I've paid for a whore. That's how I lost my virginity.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

I've got one waiting for me at home right now. This whole thing's totally thrown.

SPEAKER_03 51:58

I know the cliche is that a nerd doesn't fuck, but I gotta be honest, guys, it's a horrible addiction.

SPEAKER_00 52:02

I'm not well. No. I'm not well at all. And we need to pack this up because I'm on the clock, I pay hourly, and we've been out for nearly 24 hours. I've got a I've got a girl running the meter back home that I need to get back to. I also said she could have anything in the fridge. Not true. Some of it's off limits, some of it's meals for later in the week, and I fear she's gonna be tucking in.

SPEAKER_03 52:24

Who would tuck into a meal prep? Imagine seeing like five meal preps like, I'm not having that smelly sandwich, not having that smelly good.

SPEAKER_01 52:33

He's probably afraid that they've rented a film too. They're racking up the cable as well. Oh my god, the TiVo is gonna go through at the roof. The real horror is what happens when he gets home and the bills that have to be paid.

SPEAKER_03 52:47

And when that film when the film ended on that, wow. Look, and that's I too screamed.

SPEAKER_01 52:53

I was like, ah, they're like $400 a month for energy. I was like, no.

SPEAKER_03 53:00

Um no, so we get to the camp, the the the campsite. Yeah, uh, Jason and Freddie are still sort of fighting.

SPEAKER_02 53:06

So it gets a bit, it gets a bit like Freddie.

SPEAKER_00 53:08

She goes into Jason's dream to save Jason, is that what happens?

SPEAKER_03 53:11

She so she uh and again, this is where I think I'm a bit confused with lore. So our protagonist sleeps, and I feel because they're close to each other, she's then gonna jump into his dreams. It feels like that's not how it works.

SPEAKER_00 53:22

No, I think they do that in.

SPEAKER_03 53:25

Oh, so dreams are sort of like literally like they can be in each other's dreams. You mean close to each other? Yeah, I think if they fall asleep like a Tamagotchi, like sort of rub your heads against each other.

SPEAKER_00 53:33

You know when you put like um your two iPhones together and they orgasm? I've said it. I think it's like that in dream form.

SPEAKER_03 53:39

How fun's the iPhone Jizz, like blows a load of a contacts.

SPEAKER_00 53:43

Sometimes my partner will come up and just tap my phone with it, like, get your phone away from my phone, you sicko.

SPEAKER_03 53:49

Isn't it sucky? It's probably the worst feature. Like it's like, here's my contact. Like, never, I've never I've just been like, just here's my number. It's quicker.

SPEAKER_00 53:57

Who was the programmer behind it being like, hey, if you want to share contacts, it'll vibrate? It doesn't need to. But it also releases, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

Yeah, it was like Siri gets her moment.

unknown 54:08

Why?

SPEAKER_01 54:09

Leave her be. Why'd you bring her into this? I don't even ask her to be.

SPEAKER_03 54:13

Why does Siri moan every time I create a contact? It's not on Apple. It's not Tim Cook, it's another guy now. But I'm still gonna blame Tim Cook because he was in power at the time.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

Dude, look, I don't think this doesn't have its usual cook quality to it. I don't think Tim was behind it if I'm being honest.

SPEAKER_03 54:29

I think he was usurped.

SPEAKER_01 54:30

Cook had no in no in the I reckon he's only finding out about it now live on air, and he's now on the phone being like, who's done this to our beautiful? He's out though.

SPEAKER_03 54:40

He's now he's listening with his AirPods in, he's got he's got things like Samsung's in.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

Finally retired, he can listen to my Who and watch this boys. Press his player and goes, they did what to my iPhone? They massacred my boy.

SPEAKER_01 54:52

Why would they do this to the iPhone?

SPEAKER_03 54:57

I pushed them back on the headphone jack, but I said no to the Jiz contact thing. You shouldn't be able to do that. So it's power.

SPEAKER_02 55:05

Siri didn't consent to that. Nobody wants any phones to touch, and that's not what we wanted at all.

SPEAKER_03 55:10

We wanted a nice network, but not this, not this uh sucking you off handshake.

SPEAKER_00 55:16

It's just not on. It's disgusting. It's not on. It's disgusting. Uh look, and we get our big climax.

SPEAKER_03 55:22

Yeah, it's really Yeah, the phones connect, it's real nice.

SPEAKER_00 55:25

It's really uh dumb, honestly. And I think that this is I've really have you lost interest or are you still into this?

SPEAKER_03 55:31

Oh, I'm super tired. I'm I'm falling asleep. When honestly, the second when Kelly Rowland got smacked uh over to a tree, yeah, and uh went, she's dead. I went, yeah, this is uh this is a bad film.

SPEAKER_00 55:42

So this was pretty iconic, but I absolutely could not believe uh Kelly Rowland calls Freddy Krueger the F slur. What the hell was that? And then that was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 55:53

Talk to him about his nails, yeah. And I was like, well, she is going hard in on the show.

SPEAKER_03 55:59

This was crazy. I couldn't believe it. Because at this point, I'm like, Kelly, I've been trying to support you the whole film, and you've really lost a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 56:06

Kelly, I've been giving you a lot of grace. A lot of grace.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

So it's wild for you to attack me now and bring me into this mess. Even Jason was like, What do you want me to do, Carl?

SPEAKER_03 56:17

You're like, I think she too.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

Jason, I'll tell you what, now another point for Jason being a hero. He was like, We'll have none of that in the 2000s.

SPEAKER_03 56:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:24

Absolutely disgusting behavior.

SPEAKER_03 56:26

Everyone knows 2004, you weren't allowed to say that. No. No.

SPEAKER_00 56:31

So yeah, that's another point. So Jason is a bit of a hero.

SPEAKER_03 56:34

He is a bit of a hero. He's a bit of a hero.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

But we have a real goofy video game quality to the end, in my opinion, which is Freddy's like, I'm just gonna shoot like hydrogen gas at them.

SPEAKER_03 56:43

Like they sort of they have like their moments, so essentially it's like a lot of wire, a lot of wire work too. I think because Freddy's now brought back into the real world. I think if you wake up with him touching you, you get I don't know how that works, but he's back in the real world now. Yeah, uh, so he's living and breathing, and they're fighting uh in this cabin, and then the yeah, the big canisters. Like it is very video game because it kind of goes slow as well.

SPEAKER_00 57:06

Well, it looks really silly, but Jason's like left, right? Like, does he get hit critical?

SPEAKER_03 57:16

Like it feels like he has to parry the the canisters for him to fly back and hit uh Freddie.

SPEAKER_00 57:20

Honestly, it hits him, and the sound effects are basically like a whoop woo! Like just out of frame.

SPEAKER_03 57:26

But yeah, no, so they fight quite a bit. I guess we're at the we're down at the pier. Yeah. Uh, and then uh oh, Freddy uses he sly slices off his hand and then uses Jason's sword against him. Yeah. And I guess this is like his kryptonite or his Achilles' heel or his other thing where you use your thing against them.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

I guess. But I mean that's so suddenly introduced, isn't it? So they then work out No, but then they help Jason, don't they?

SPEAKER_03 57:56

They help Jason, because then Freddy's last last live, they're like, okay, shit, Freddy's gonna attack me. But then Jason cuts off, uses his claw hand to stab him. So I think he uses weapons, so both of them get their weapon of choice on them.

SPEAKER_00 58:08

It's like in um the incredibles. Yeah. The robot can only destroy itself. Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 58:15

So that's I think And it predates the Incredibles, so that's fine. I don't know, same year. Maybe they maybe Brad Bird was in the writing room.

SPEAKER_00 58:22

I it wouldn't shock me. No, it wouldn't shock me. There is a b a Brad Bird quality to this.

SPEAKER_03 58:32

When Kelly Rowland said the F slur, I felt that's Brad Bird written all over.

SPEAKER_00 58:36

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 58:37

I was like, I was like, I couldn't slip this into the Iron Giant, but for this film, it can be in there.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

Shocked it didn't come up being like a Brad Bird film, and I was like, oh, and there it is.

SPEAKER_03 58:46

I should have known. Look, guys, we're just saying that Brad Bird is a known homophobe. I don't know if that's true, but definitely and a big Kelly Rowland fan. It's a weird Venn diagram, but they exist. They exist.

SPEAKER_00 58:59

He's like, I need to spotlight Kelly, and I've got some choice words for her to use.

SPEAKER_03 59:04

She's gonna be my mouthpiece, but she's also gonna be a beautiful mouthpiece. Oh my god, sing your heart out, Kelly.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

Um, just maybe also have running at the bottom that Brad Bird is not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want Brad Bird to get in trouble. He's trying to save Hollywood. Yeah, no. I don't want him to go anywhere. I don't want him to get just Vanty Fair goes off the phone.

SPEAKER_03 59:26

Yep. Yep, confirm. Brad Bird is a homophone.

unknown 59:28

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 59:29

Imagine anyone thinking that what we have is information.

SPEAKER_00 59:32

Well, it's like, well, I mean, it's about the fact that unfortunately what we're saying is indeed true. It is true. I met him and he called me it, but the fact that I don't want it to hurt his career.

SPEAKER_03 59:41

Yeah, exactly. Here's the thing I think their actions shouldn't have consequences if they're making good films.

SPEAKER_00 59:46

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 59:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:47

I think let's speak, let's let the quality of work speak for how horrible they can be.

SPEAKER_03 59:53

Separate art from the artists unless they're just nailing the art. If they're nailing the art, then we're gonna separate them.

SPEAKER_01 59:59

The moment they make a flawed picture, cut them.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:02

Yeah, then let's bring them back into their lifestyle into it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

It's gonna make them so driven to make good quality stuff, you know. You tell them.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:09

That's the flip side. Just imagine most the most evil people you know, just like if you guys flip up even once, you're done.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:14

You tell Shia LaBeouf, you're welcome to be back in blockbusters. If you can do an amazing one, we'll let you return to Hollywood. And he was like, Oh shit, alright.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:23

Harvey Weinstein's like, I think I could do it, and everyone's like, It's a thin line, it's a thin line.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:29

Were you happy with who the winner was?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:31

I was happy. I think Jason definitely deserved it. However, we do get a now, what would you say this wink was? Because essentially Jason's walking around, I assume heaven or hell, uh, and and Freddy's beheaded. Yeah, but he gets like a little like a that's all folks wink. Yeah. And it's got, I think in the end, I think he won, which is unfortunate. But I do I prefer Jason to win.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:54

Well, the type of wink to me, it sort of came off like the whole thing was a weird way for Freddie to get his kink.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:01

And he was like, you know what, I've always wanted to be beheaded, and I want to know how that feels. So at the end he's like, and I got my way.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:07

Yeah, we don't see his body, but I assume it's ejaculated of sorts. Yeah. It's not, it's not a great ending for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:14

Not on camera for a reason.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:16

Yeah. It'd be a nightmare.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

It's a smart thing to do. It would be a nightmare. Somebody's on Elm Street with the other half of the body being like, oh god, what a nightmare on him.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:26

What a nightmare on Elm Street. Jesus Christ. This is the cop packing his bag. I tried to take him off from this. We're moving to a medium town where this stuff does not happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:41

Him in the dream house seeing a tsunami of cheers, I mean like, I didn't want this for my family.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:48

I'm going to the alien tomb in the Antarctic where nothing bad ever happens. Going on an expedition.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:58

Carl, who would watch Jason vs. Freddie?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:03

Um, I think in the end, it's not for fans of people of Nightmare on Elm Street. Or is it fans of.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:10

Is this not even just like a little bit fun? Or is this a bit of like a bastization of it?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:14

Man, I don't know. Sometimes I thought it was fun, but I also just thought it was kind of boring. And I think if the movie had picked its tone the whole way through, to say we're gonna be silly and campy the whole way through. I think at the beginning though, they were trying to do weird little scares. Yeah. Um, but I also don't think it it also doesn't have the charm of a nightmare on Elm Street's fun, practical, violent, weird. We skipped over it, but like most of the kills are very well the killings are really dull, and that's why I don't think Jason's a very fun villain. Is it's always just a bit of a stab and a slash. Yeah. Um and he unfortunately I feel like does a majority of the killing. Uh so I don't think it's particularly filling, fulfilling as a horror movie, and I don't think it's particularly fulfilling as a nightmare in Elm Street film or as uh Friday the 15th. It it's probably more of a Friday the 13th film than anything.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:02

Oh for me, it felt just more like here's a little meta fun thing. It felt more like a comedy that was not reaching it's more like a fun little romp, like haha, we've got these two, isn't that fun? Or make some money and run.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:13

There's been some snappier writing to make maybe make it a little bit more meta, or like help with the characterizations to make it.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:20

I think it was too early to be meta.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:21

I think it was like it was, it was ahead of its time. I think it was ahead of its time.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:24

Yeah, but I think honestly, it was like it was tacky. It was 2004, like it was like we're doing nine of these films, that's ridiculous. But it was lazy as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:33

Yeah, I think there's a really lazy output from the studio for it. So I think it's for people that love lazy filmmaking. Yeah, they love a lazy film. I think it's for people that go in with high expectations but love when it turns out to be lazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:45

I think so, but then also I'm trying to think if you're watching, I don't know, 13 of these Jason films and nine of these Elm Street films, I'm sure this one's probably a bit of a pick-me-up in the middle.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:54

Yeah, I but I wonder if you get there and you go, this one will reinvent it a little, this one will freshen it up, only for you to find out it's even more same old, same old is probably a little and that they probably butcher your villain that you love. That you go, sorry, Jason got ping-ponged, sorry, he got pinballed and pinballed, he got pinballed, he got pinballed pretty aggressively. Oscar, who do you who do you think would watch this?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:17

It's for the fans, for the lovers, it's for the uh it's for the people, the dreamers, you know. But it's also for the people, uh, I think I mean I had fun with it, but again, no prior knowledge for the films. Uh so I felt like I was like, oh, this is the tone. I'm I'm enjoying them doing their thing a little bit. I think if I had seen the better films, I could understand a fan being angry. I don't really think you should really care. But but I get why this is not, you know, loved. Yeah. But I think it's got a little bit of it's got a little bit of something, you know. I I enjoy seeing these characters acting a bit silly and goofy. I wish they kind of went further, you know. That's my issue.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:55

I think the yeah, I think for me it's either you rein it in and make it better, yeah, or you go further with how silly it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:03

I think they realize they couldn't really have any like real scares because it's just it's so silly they're in the same film. Yeah, and they both can't die, so there's no stakes or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:12

But also I think both their franchises has has had gotten silly by that point. Yeah, so that has allowed them to do a crossover. Yeah. Uh yeah. So they should do another one of these. Fuck it. Wait until they just turn these into like a cinematic universe.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:25

I think I like the whole crossover. I think we're a time now where everyone's like, it can be meta, and I think this would be fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:31

Yeah. I think if you get good people behind it though.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:34

Isn't it funny that this is almost like the only time you can be like, let's be a bit creative with our meta little spin-off series of a horror thing. Yeah. Carl, that was Freddie versus Jason. We've done Alien vs. Predator. I think we should combine the two. Uh how how are you feeling? What was the better the meta matchup?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:49

Oh, I think in the end I liked Alien vs. Predator more, which I think was a shocker to me.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:53

I think just the sets, and I think the actual like craft was there. Yeah. You know?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

They're both definitely at the bottom of the barrel though. Terms of crossovers. Yeah. Uh I think maybe Alien and Predator was a little bit more crazy. They both sort of shit the bet on their kills and on their violence. Both of them not great in that regard.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:11

I guess because I think that the they are going for a younger audience. They're going for a 15-year-old. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:17

And I mean, look, as a kid, I did love Alien versus Predator, but as a kid, I didn't, I wasn't taken by Freddie vs.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:23

You were snooty. You're like, this is ridiculous. This is this is this is top. This is garb. It's not really on for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:29

Yeah, I I think also just on top of that, I'm like, this is nonsense. Yeah. Like it really was just sort of nonsense. Well, it's not scary.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:36

It was not really many kills. I think you're not getting like what is this whole thing?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:40

Yeah, I think I was like, ah, an episode of supernatural is more scary than this. Yeah. So I was like, that's better.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:45

So yeah. What do you think of this conceit in general? Do you reckon that you can all the verses? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:49

Do you I would love to see it go right? I just think you are being sold versus them fighting. And in fairness, I actually prefer this one because it felt more like a natural matchup. In the Alien vs. Predator one, I think it was a bit of a bit of like a we're hunting one, so someone's one's definitely a loser immediately. Um I do want to see some IP. I can't think of one off the top of my head, but I would like for you to see it work. But you have to find essentially two people coming at it pretty evenly, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

I think um some ones that I think we'll probably see in our lifetime. Yeah. I think we'll see uh Aunt Gladys versus The Vitch from the A24 film. Yeah, the BV itch. Yeah. Um I think we will see uh ooh what else is there? Eddington versus Twin Peaks. I think that's definitely in our I think so. Yeah, I think so. I think we'll see um I think we'll see Insidious versus Saw.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:54

You know, I do actually think an idiot it wait the what is the creature insidious actually? It's a different demon every time. Yeah. So yeah, it's just laying demons in.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:05

Yeah, it's always a different demon that wants to get in. There's always like a red door.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:09

You know, I I I would actually say an Annabelle versus a Megan, but I just think, you know, you know, I'd like for them to do that. Yeah. I like a bunch of dolls fighting, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:17

Absolutely. I think like I would also like to see some more things come to life. Yeah. You know, I think we should have more things come to life versus a piano. I think a piano versus a mannequin would be fun. Yeah, that would be quite good. I think like a bowl versus a photo frame would be fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:32

Yeah, maybe it's some sort of i can versus like a Honda Civic. That would be interesting. It would be interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:40

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:41

It'd be really good. That would be nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:42

I'd love to see a ladder versus a cloud.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:45

Yeah, because you're trying to get higher, but then the cloud can't. It's just a it'd be a match made up in not heaven. Yeah. What's like a limbo a limbo, made up in limbo?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:53

Like catharcism versus waiting at the checkout as a feeling.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:57

Oh, yeah, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah. That could be good. That is really good. I guess like mourning like a loved one that you kind of remember versus um yeah, I guess a Honda Civic 2006. Like it's just that the Honda's really a good world to go back to the city.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:11

It's clear that the Honda's kind of with when it's first bracket that it should return the sequel in the second bracket.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:16

I would love dare I say, I'd just love a lot of things, all things verse. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:21

And we'll get to the end and be like another, I feel like we've pitched a whole new podcast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:25

Just very you know what?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:26

Just pick things and see who would win. It's not crazy. A briefcase versus carpet.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:31

It'd be nice because we'd have more to talk about. Yeah. We have like two to three hours of content daily.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:36

Uh you can write to us at RSWET Podcast if you want us to start up a whole other side podcast on top of this one that we can barely fucking keep our grip on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:44

Um I think that would be worth it. I think. And don't give us suggestions. We've got we've got that.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:50

Yeah, we've got them. Unlock. We've absolutely got them for sure. Yeah, so just uh I definitely don't need suggestions. I didn't just use all of my good ones right now. Yeah, definitely don't write into me personally.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:00

Thank God, because they were not good suggestions. I gotta tell you.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:04

None of them?

unknown 1:10:05

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:05

And I agree. So don't write into me. Great. Don't write into me at all. Yeah. Uh we will definitely have to wrap this up because I gotta tell you right now, this room is fucking melting.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:17

Well, it's like a candle. It's all waxy. It's all waxy, it's the wax room.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:21

No, candle versus light.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:23

Look, and now that's a good suggestion. And now we have a podcast. And now we have a podcast. That was a write-in as well. Shit. Thanks for listening.