Who Would Watch 'Alien vs Predator'?

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

My name is Oscar.

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My name is Carl.

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And this is Who Would Watch This? Welcome to Who Would Watch this podcast. We watch a film, we chat about the film, and we try and figure out who'd watch this.

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Today we're talking about AVP Alien versus Predator.

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I'm glad there's a there's a little acronym.

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It's AVP. A VP. It's AVP. Every time I tried to find this movie, it was like, don't know what you're talking about. Chuck the AVP at the beginning with a colon. Oh. We've got it. We've got it. We've got it in the video. Sorry, it was right here all along. It currently has a 5.7 on IMDB, a 21% on rotten tomatoes, and a 2.6 on letterboxed. Oscar, what's the plot?

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Strap in.

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Big gasp.

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Big gasp. Many people did. Many people gasped.

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Big hit film. Two big properties coming together that got Ziller and Kong of our time.

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Yeah, it's like Mario and Pac-Man just frickin', you know, just kissing. And that's the the kit the teacher.

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Watch Illumination make that soon. And watch Elon Musk hater.

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They've made Pac-Man woke now. They made him gay. Pac-Man, the woman Pac-Man doesn't fuck.

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Why is Lapita Niongo Mrs. Pac-Man?

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Everyone knows it's a white man behind a yellow face. That's been for time and time. Carl, before we get into the.

SPEAKER_02 1:24

He seems like somebody that would be pro, like when Shakespeare everybody was a man in the play. Even like all of the it seems like he would be like, they should all just be men.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

But they and if they keep kissing, that's good. But only in character. Only in character. Minimal makeup. Don't read it. I don't care what play. I don't know. T Tempest Knight. Fuck it. Just as long as it's men smooching on a play, then we're fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

You know, for a guy that's like the richest in the world, it is surprising to me he's not behind like producing a bunch of movies and shows and games. Weird he's not like because he seems to be so obsessed with pop culture and like the woke agenda and things like that. You'd think he would be like.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Yeah, go straight to the source. Just make your own thing. Yeah, just make your own thing that nobody wants to see. Yeah. God, it's just, it's just odd. Amazon did its own thing, you know. They've they've they they've they've trickled on down.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

Yeah. They're like they were like, what men want to watch the terminal list.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

You know, they were like, men love the tomorrow war. Are we the terminal list as in the terminal? Just like men are running out to see Tom Hanks in a terminal with a funky accent. That's the most that's the most man thing you can watch. The most anti-woke film is Tom is Tom Hanks just bumming around a magical man in an airport. People love the terminal. Carl, before we get into the woke agenda, should we go back to last week?

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Yeah, this movie smothered in it.

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Oh my god, people have been calling it. It's really gay. People have been saying AVP is really the woke. They are.

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They're like AVP might be is like gay culture. Like it is, it's the beginning of it all. A VP is getting a float at Mardi Gras next year. Yeah, exactly. So this is huge for AVP.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

I feel like Alien gives more gay.

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Yeah, aliens are bottom. I said it.

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Carl, should you go back to last week before we had figured out who this top and who is the bottom?

SPEAKER_02 3:17

Yeah. Yeah, that's right.

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We we work it out, guys. Wait, just wait. Carl, it's versus month. And we are confusing this the format immediately. We've blown it away.

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We've blown it away because we've essentially we've Which you can hear live on last week's podcast when we came up with this concept because the month made no sense anyway.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

The month made no sense because we were like, alright, once Alien versus Predator and Freddie versus uh Jason, and then we went, uh, I guess I don't want to shoot Man and Batman. Um there's not even many other verses. So now we're doing uh movies that are similar and versing them and comparing them, like Bugs Life and Ants. Yeah. However, we also had these two in the chamber. So now it's a versus month versus versus month, and they're two versing months. So I guess we're really comparing how to a movie uh combines two iconic villains.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

Yes, and then and then which one of them is the better one? Yes. Just so now it's an even weirder bracket. Honestly, it's like a quarterfinals right now. Yes, that's right. And we will be also, and I hope, and I'm throwing this on you, and I hope we will be watching Alien vs. Predator Requiem.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

Oh, oh, the sequel. Yes, yes, yes. I'm loving this because I'll be honest, I've only watched Alien ver and Aliens. Uh so meeting. You've never seen a predator? I've I've not, but I've seen Arnold's watching. They're Amongst Us. Okay. Tell me more. Tell me more, tell me more. What do define a predator, you know? Uh yeah, no, Carl. We're doing Alien versus Predator first. We're gonna compare these two. I've never seen this, uh, but I have just knows which director has done it. It's the guy who does all the Resident Evil. He's got the Paul Thomas Anderson name, but there's a W for it in there somewhere, or an S. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

Yeah, and he's and we've done the first Resident Evil, and I will be pushing for us to do all of the Resident Evil in the lead up to the Zack Craig's new one. Yeah, great. Which we probably after Versus Month we'll have to do because it's like eight films. They're all the same. It's great. It's it's the same critique every movie. You'll go, I hate this.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

I love the umbrella company though. Big fan, big fan. Who's the little girl?

SPEAKER_02 5:27

Um yeah. So I loved this film as a kid. Great. Loved it. What age were you watching this? Eight. Yeah, six. Like, I loved it. Loved it, loved it, loved it. Uh, and then over time, as I think I grew to love Alien, Aliens, Predator.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Um I imagine if you're a kid, watching Alien is probably a worse experience than watching this one.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

Yeah. I can remember the first time I watched Alien because it horrified me so much. Saw it in Western Australia on a holiday, watching on portable DVD playbooks.

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That's the horror right there, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. That's right, I couldn't escape it. I was like, are they here with us in this foreign land?

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Honestly, yeah. Pretty much everyone knows in Perth, it's pretty much a purgatory full of a bunch of uh you know, aliens and stuff.

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You apologise to the perf listeners.

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I don't, I'll stand by it. They got mining, they also got predators.

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Alright, I'll back Oscar. He's right. He's right to belittle you.

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What are they gonna do? Succeed from the union? Get out of here, you know. Yeah, try and leave us, huh?

SPEAKER_02 6:25

What are you gonna do without the opera house? Come on.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

But a culture, but a culture. You guys got the mines, we got the bloody culture.

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All the tourism happening. Yeah, shut up. Shut up.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

No, but you're a big fan of Perth.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

What uh anyway, look, I love Alien and I do love Predator, and I like some of the new Predator movies. Prey's really good. Um, so, but yeah, over time, this it was very clear to me that this was indeed a very bad film. Uh, and I did watch it a few years ago, uh, and it's cemented its poor quality to me. Oh no. Um, but yeah, there's some absolute huge nostalgia stuff in it I'll be able to get into. Yeah, hell yeah. Um, but who's gonna watch it? Just just look, I mean, it got me. Alright, I really wanted to see an alien versus a predator. Like the producers behind it knew what was up. Uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:12

It feels like such a fun relic of sort of just like mocking the two like early 2000s of that, oh, they're mixing two things together. How much scraping the bottom of the barrel. I imagine the critics just destroyed this, just like this is disgusting. You're fucking up, you know, legacies. Now it's 20 years on. I don't know. Let's see what happens, you know.

SPEAKER_02 7:31

Yeah, I think also from memory, the this this film is canon. So sick. You know, that's crazy, actually. Yeah, like they've they've actually really worked. I don't think the second one is, but I think this one is. I love when they're just like, is that what that was okay? We'll make it canon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That were like people, it's people like me, they're like, there's some losers out there that are nostalgic for this. Make it canon. Because an alien head pops up at the end of the new Predator Badlands movie, and I was like, What a fun thing these are in the same world.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Because what's Predators 80s, Aliens 79, yeah, yeah, crazy, right?

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Yeah, and they've sort of interwoven um Wayland Enterprises through them all, like even Prometheus and that. Yeah, gotcha. So it's just it's just everywhere. I think Wayland was even in the new Predator too. So it's it's they're definitely together. Yeah. But yeah, on a side note, I couldn't get through Alien Earth. That wasn't for me, that show.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

Alien Earth. Oh, Alien Earth. Yeah. Did you ever watch that on Disney Plus?

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The big alien show. I thought it started okay strong. There's one episode where they essentially just rip off alien. Yeah.

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I mean, it's Rif. I mean, it's the only show that could probably do that.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

Yeah, it's Noah Hawley, the guy that did Fargo. So everybody was like, oh, this will be good. And I feel like people were middling on it. I think it's getting a season two. I didn't like it. I couldn't get like that.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

Covenant? Yes. And everyone was pretty, I think people like that one. No, I don't think they do. Wow, I remember at the time. Second, you know what? This is and this is a good back and forth, correct. This works. You're wrong. Yeah. Well, you got me. Maybe proof memory. Guys, maybe check it out. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 9:08

There is a real there's a real issue with and man, I guess I always stuns me. I think I really love Alien. Sorry, I'm absolutely running the time, but I watched Prometheus recently. Uh, and so I think I am always just sort of watching an alien movie.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Are you are you hot on that one?

SPEAKER_02 9:24

No, I don't think Prometheus is good either. I don't think really Scott knows what he's doing with the Alien franchise. I think James Cameron did.

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Yeah, James Cameron's like, it's an action film. Alright, I'm gonna dip and make some blue.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

No, there was the Fetty Elvarez one.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

Alien um Aliens is hit, is James Cameron.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

No, but there was that new Alien Romulus. That was the latest one. Yes. And I loved that. Yeah. Which was like a little bit nostalgia baity, but also really fun, really violent. Yeah. Still sort of furthered the lore of the alien.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

That was the one that came out like a year ago, right? Yeah, great.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

And I thought that was I thought that was really.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

And people thought that was good.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

Yeah, that's good. I think that's got good reviews.

SPEAKER_01 10:00

No, I'm just almost I'm just saying I nailed it. Yeah, you weren't gonna be able to do it. My vague memories people were okay on that one.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

People didn't like the one with Danny McBride and James Franco in it. Yes.

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Which, you know, fair enough.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

Shocker. Um yeah, but I think the Alien franchise got itself caught into people being like, Prometheus opens up an interesting concept and then never answers it. And then I think Alien's always been in a struggle of being like, are we doing Prometheus or doing an alien movie? And it's been hard for them to pick. And I think they pick with Alien Romulus. Cool. And you go, This is fine, this is tense and silly. Yeah, I like it.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

I've I've played uh Alien Isolation.

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I've played that too. God, I'm a huge alien fan.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

Do you fucking know it? Yeah, I guess I wish I was a Predator fan because that'd be a bit more back and forth. But again, I just I guess who would watch this? Let's frick I mean, I guess, yeah. I guess it's you as a teen as a big alien fan, you know? Yeah. And a f and I like Predator. And you know what? I will say, I feel like it's kind of gone from uh I actually probably know, actually, maybe it's just on Reddit pages that I don't follow, but a lot of people still argue about like who could beat who. Um this feels like that sort of like enough people said it, they were like, fuck it, we've got the IP, let's just do that.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

For sure. Definitely enough people said it and they're like, ah, just make it. Yeah. Yeah. I think I what do you expect from an alien versus predator movie? And I think this is the this is the issue with the movie itself.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

Oh great. Well, going in blind, I'm under I un I I think I understand the power of an alien, and I think I understand the plan of a predator, and I guess I just want to see them sort of fight it out for a lot of the movie. So if if it's not that, then this is a pointless endeavor. Okay, you give me the nod of that it's a lengthy battle. Uh yeah, so I just w I just want that, you know. But I don't know how that would unless it's a really beautiful silent film, just them, you know, hunting each other. Yeah. Sort of like a heat aller, you know? A bit heat esque.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

Oh my god, heat, but it's alien predator. That would kind of that would sell that would fucking do colour. Call you heat too. Yeah. It's actually just alien versus predator.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

Leo's in a goddamn like xenomorph suit, just like you you I said no sequels, but sometimes gold hits the goddamn page.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

He's very good in it. I hear he's also playing the little mouth. It's great to play them both. Do you have a good understanding of the powers of both of them, do you reckon?

SPEAKER_01 12:30

I have no idea. I Predator, I know they can turn invisible, and they can sh uh they've got a little gun on their shoulder, and they can they've got that cool vision, and they've got swords, and then Alien uh can eat you with your mouth, and they got the big tail.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

So uh to me, that's a match made in heaven. That seems pretty even. Feels very uh uh uh battle bots-esque robots. That's got all their powers. Yeah, you're not wrong. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

It sounds like you're right on the money. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Oscar, your first big four- is this first time you're seeing a predator in a film?

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This is the first time. I've s I s uh yes, yes, ever. Yeah. This is crazy. This is nuts.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

Expect there to be a hero between the two. Was that a big shock to you? This I there's a lead.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

I think well, straight off the bat, it's crazy to me that they pretty much go alien versus predator, the predator's gonna win. Uh I gotta tell you, I don't think it's crazy they go, it's it's not an even match. Pretty much the predator's definitely gonna destroy them. Yeah, I guess they do have a gun that shoots a bowl of uh plasma.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

It's like a lion versus a sci-fi hunter.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

Yeah.

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Like that's the equivalent of the two.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

It's unfair because I feel like in a matchup they're pretty well good, but they do have a gun that shoots. Do they always have this thing?

SPEAKER_02 13:51

They brought a gun to an animal fight. Yeah. So it's sort of like, you know, if you're like seeing two chickens fight, but one of them's got a gun. Well, some of some chickens get talons, you know.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

That's that's how you use cock fighting.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

Well that's what it is, but I think one cock's got tannins and the other cock's got a gun. That's what this means.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

And that's and that's and for me personally, I think the matchup is a bit of a mess. However, the real the real victory is sometimes human and predator can be entwined. Like most of the film industry, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Look, what's great about it is is I bet you didn't feel like there would maybe be, I don't know, an eerie romance to the film. A sexual chemistry between a human and a predator.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

Here's my thing. Now I'm gonna go out and watch all these predator films. I am expecting, I mean, here's the thing. Even though his name is Predator, this seemed like a pretty consensual relationship, and I was kind of all on board for it. Um let's He did seem like a tender lover. I did seem like a very tender lover. I didn't realise Predators had that kind spark in them. Yeah I I I didn't really do they have that for the rest of them.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

They seem very I don't think I don't think anybody in this film that made it really understands either property. So that's what's kind of amazing about it. It's kind of great.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

Honestly, it's set me on a pretty like because to me a predator seems like a kind man that when the odds get tough, you know, they'll side with the humans because sometimes you just gotta pull up your bootstraps, you know. Um let's get into this. Overall, I think this looks gorgeous. How do we think? How are we feeling about that? Same thing.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

It's definitely like I think you watch it and you go, This is a film. There's great big sets. Yeah. I think the animatronics are really great, I think the costuming's good.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

I'm loving all the special effects.

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I think I've spent money on it, and I think it's all on screen, so love that.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

Yes. I'm all on board. I feel like when you're doing like a cheap little knockoff like this sort of thing, you could kind of but all these wet, disgusting eggs, all the sort of like, you know, drippings and stuff, it all looks fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

They spend the money on it. The sequel has none of this. Hell yeah. Absolutely none of that.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

I was gonna say, this is this has been propped up by kind of like a schlocky sort of early 2000s movie, with just someone at production design being like, let's let's get to that level of alien, you know.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

The the big issue I think I have with it, and I think other fans did as well, is once you're familiar with both properties, it's really odd to put them together in like an M-rated blockbuster. Really neuters both films. Yeah, and so the second one is MA and in response, I think, to this one not being violent. Yeah. And in doing so, I think they lost a lot of their budget. So it's just sort of like a kid's slasher movie in a town. Oh, okay. It's a really horrible film, one probably one of the worst movies ever made. We should really do it. That's from memory. It's terrible. Well, just terrible. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

That's fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

Um, but back on here, we get introduced to. I'm gonna tell you right now, I think the female lead in this movie is one of the best female leads we've ever had on the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

That's crazy. All my pr all my things are is she's kind of got nothing about her. I thought she was like, what did you like about her uh from a female uh protagonist?

SPEAKER_02 16:55

She kept on doing things, and I think most times in these films that we've done, they do very little to the point of not doing anything at all, or simply it's just a bit misogynistic.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Look, that's Fez. I think the actions she is doing are insane. Yes. You know, and it's all just all works out, so I guess you can't re-critique that. But um, actually, I won't critique it. It's all good. I'm back on your side. You've convinced me, and that's what Arkansas will have out.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

She just kept on being like, I'm just gonna make a competent choice right now to do X. And I was like, Alright.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

A competent choice? She'd worked to the predator. I mean, granted, the gun was the whole thing. Did she survive the film?

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Yeah, but she survived the film, Oscar, then she did it competently, didn't she? She did it competently.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

She gave the axe motor a gun, and then the axe motor was like, you know what? I'm in love with you. Or what a lucky.

SPEAKER_02 17:42

20 people went into this cave, one came out. Chinese of the biggest issue.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

The biggest issue of the film is the fact this film goes, all right, we're set we're assembling a team. No, the team doesn't matter. It's like if Ocean's 11 ended with nine of them being shot, and then just Danny Ocean and the little acrobat guy was like, I guess it's an ocean two situation, and we'll do the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Yeah, you're absolutely right. And you don't care about anyone. No, and I don't think anybody's got though there's one that I liked, which was the British guy from Death of the Funeral.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

And train spotting.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

Yeah, and train spotting. And I loved him because he reminded me of who would play Whitaker in the Pit now. Yes. There's a sadness behind the There's a the right British actor has is like born with sad eyes.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Of course, of course. The Empire's done, and as a result, it's in your jeans, you know? You can't get rid of that.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

Just you're born permanently sad and tired. And I love it, and I love it. When they pop up on screen, there's always one in Hollywood, and we've found our new one, and it's that guy on the pit right now.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

Exactly. Um, it's like the it's like he's in a me crater, and you know when you can turn the eyes to like nine-45 degrees, they're just cons like what the movie gives me is they accidentally I feel like they mildly flesh that guy out a little bit to be like a family man and a nice guy.

SPEAKER_02 19:01

Yeah, but because the movie's quite nihilistic and kills everybody but one, I feel like they also don't want you to get too attached to anyone just so you're not upset when anybody's horrifically killed.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Yeah, no, 100%. But then they sort of go, but we'll introduce you to a lot of people. We get one Pepsi guy, he's an archaeologist who's Spanish, and he finds a Pepsi cap uh when he's doing archaeology, and he has a Pepsi Cola thing. Yeah. Uh so that's his thing.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

We've got It made me really want a Pepsi Cola. So I'm glad they figured out how to get that into an Alien vs. Predator thing.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

I was also reaching for a little Pepsi. How good's Pepsi, Carl?

SPEAKER_02 19:36

I realize today as of watching Alien vs. Predator, I love Pepsi. I could go with Pepsi.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

I could go a Pepsi. Pepsi does go, I think, the best with a Pizza Hut. I don't know what that is, but there's something in the water. I guess something in the dough.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

I disagree. I would never eat something on the side of a cup of Pepsi.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Side of a cup?

SPEAKER_02 19:55

Like I think Pepsi's best enjoyed? No food. Okay. You want to dive into that?

SPEAKER_01 20:01

No, I don't want to dive into that. Don't touch it! Let's go into um we've also got it over there for later. We've got Pepsi, we've got girl, we've got train spotting, we've got, I don't know, uh, three other guys. We've got the guy who's also in Resident Evil. Is he the blonde, uh the dirty blonde sh uh blonde shell? Bonge bombshell.

SPEAKER_02 20:21

Yes, the the guy that has the scar. Like a bit of a bite sort of to his cheekbones, that guy.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Oh that's nice. That's a nice descriptor. Uh I maybe the blonde one? The blonde one with the train spotting guy teamed up with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's in the bite to his. I love that description.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

The but that's how it is. That's how he's like, that's what it sort of is to his face. Yeah. I don't know. He's I think he's in another movie where he's also got like a crazy scar. Yeah, I was like, it's that guy. They've also got the guy that gets cubed in Resident Evil. He's here. It's the famous spotter.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

Yeah. I don't know any names. And that's fine. And that's fine because the film goes, you know what? We're gonna just start killing. Anyway, essentially this team is assembled by now. I really thought now it's the whalen industries. The problem is, and that's a fine name, that's absolutely fine. The problem is they are situated in a whaling city, and constantly they'd be saying whaling, and I didn't know if they were talking about the man or the the place that were they were stationed.

SPEAKER_02 21:15

A great catch by you. Thank you. I naturally assumed that uh they were just talking about him. So and I just thought, ah, this movie doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

Dock it down a point.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Yeah, just I just was like, ah, that's not good.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

No, no, no. It's just good writings. Whaling and whale in industries.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

It's fantastic when a movie really embodies seashells, seashells by the season. By the seashells, sure. That's really clever to do that.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

I do think it is kind to keep your audience on their toes because quite frankly, don't spoon feed us. I want a bunch of limericks in the back.

SPEAKER_02 21:47

Make it hard for me to hear and understand. Yeah. And you know what? When I put on subtitles, spell on the same.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

I I feel like has any movie just Done someone just they're called the same thing. I know you're not like I said they should call a character the MacGuffin.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

I would love if a character was called the MacGuffin. They're all like, what do we do now? We need the MacGuffin. Who's that? God, he's hot. God is saying about you guys, but I think I want to fuck the MacGuffin.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

Let's get into this, Garl. Whalen has a satellite. It's detected in Antarctica. There's a pyramid. Uh-oh, it's sending off heat signals. It's very low on the ground, though. So he's assembling a team. The main chick is our safety coordinator.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

Yeah, so she's. I love this, but because for a a short time in the 2000s, anytime an em any time a like extreme sports person was ever needed for a job, they're mid-climbing. Yes. And I love that. It was like Tom Cruise emission of everybody's always like, Imagine if you called me and I was like, oh, I'm just climbing. I've got my phone, I was happy to take the call, and I'm just climbing, Oscar.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

Can can you I've got like a lot of you need a laptop. I've got like a lot of dates and stuff. Can you sign some stuff? Like, no, no, I'm hanging off a rock. I just audio based. So give me the deeds.

SPEAKER_02 23:09

To the point that I probably shouldn't have brought this. I wouldn't take a call mid-climb, but I'm that cocky and that good at what I do, I can take the call.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

I gotta tell you, the signal up here is dreadful and it's all wind. So maybe just I don't know, send me a text when you get to the top of the mountain. We need you to get to this pyramid.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

What? You've also appeared in Metatica in a week. It's also ludicrous too because we all we find out she's two meters away from where he's standing anyway to prove what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 23:45

What a bunch of nonsense. That's just fantastic, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Do you reckon he got out of the helicopter and he looked down the cliff and he was like, I'm gonna call her. Gotta call her while she's climbing here and she'll pick up. She'll pick up. Hey, hey. Yeah, you've got me.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

It's a bit windy, but yeah, I'll give you some. I think that's why he was like, fuck it, I'll just give you this because it's more dramatic. Yeah, that's it. Imagine she was like, I'm busy, I'm I'm I'm I'm at the zoo, and then she's just kind of like, uh, fuck. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:13

Oh, I can't talk to you. I'm in a wind tunnel. How awkward that would be to be like, I know you're lying.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

I imagine at the top of the man, you're very tired, so it's probably a slow ascent, and then just sort of like, give me a minute, I'll think of another excuse.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

I'll get in the helicopter. I don't I don't want this as an awkward word.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

Just out of breath, being like, I've got an excuse. Hang on. Yeah. Let me collect my thoughts. I'll get in the helicopter. I'm getting the helicopter.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

I can't think of a good thing. So that she's a safety officer for the for they're going to mine down to the pyramid. I can't. They said something ludicrous, like it's 20 billion kilometres down.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

She is. I mean, I noticed that she was confident earlier, kind of useless because they don't want to do any of the training anyway, and they want to start the exposition now. And so all her jobs. She's like, here are my three rules. Try and listen to me. Don't die. Don't be a hero.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Someone everybody someone of me do cocks a gun just like I'm bringing this down with us. Is that cool? And the safety officer's like, you know what? I love it, girl. Let's get you down there with a gun.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

I'd rather be down there with a gun than without a gun. She's like, that's great. Take the safety off.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

Yeah, it's fuck a it's like a condom. If you don't have one, you're gonna get a disease. It's like, I don't think it's a gun metaphor.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

All her interactions are actually just with people when she realizes she could be walked over. It's like a sick man's like, I've got to go down there. She's like, you can't, you'll die. And he's like, please. And she's like, all right.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

He then brings out the biggest inhaler ever seen. Like, it's the most of the I've got cancer inhaler ever. Just let's go find the pyramid.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

So clearly not surviving the film, let me go down. And then the British guy is like, What's the point of no return? She's like, We've passed that. We're gonna, it's just everybody she talks to, they're like, I don't want to listen to your safety.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

Yeah, it seems pointless. At the point that she's like, I guess it's good money going down a tunnel.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Well, I guess in her mind as well, she's gonna live.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

She knows that she knows that she's competent.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

She's competent, she survives the film and thus is a competent protagonist. You can fight me on that. I truly believe it.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

Every final girl who's a virgin is very competent. Everyone knows that. That's that's what's a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

This is the best heroine since Ripley. Wow. There you go.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

I said it. I'll say it above Ripley. I'll say it above Ripley.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

I agree. She's better than Ripley. Better than Newt, too. She's better than them all.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

From uh Fantastic Beast. No. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 26:40

The little girl is Newt. In um in Aliens. It's Ripley and Newt.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

Not a true fan.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

No, I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Not a true fan.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

I don't have Newt memorized, okay? I'm bit more of a fantastic beast somewhere to find them kind of guy. Like many others.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

Ironically, the love interest is the that's the lead of Alien Covenant. It all comes back to Aliens. Don't spoil it for me. I've got a I've got a Ti-Vo dude. No, you haven't. I know you're lying. Call you out. I know you have Ti-Vo, and I know you've got other ones recorded, but you haven't got Covenant recorded.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

Does Disney Plus have all the alien? However, oh Fox.

SPEAKER_02 27:16

God, God, they own everything.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Isn't Disney great? I hope they buy us.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

God, if I could do anything, all I want to do is watch Disney and drink Pepsi all day.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

God, that's be a lifer.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

Now, as everything's getting set up, they're like, oh, no, these everyone's probably gonna be bored right now because we're like 35 minutes into the film and there's not an alien or a predator in sight.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

I was thinking this is a very this I'm I'm angry. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

It's tough to do this. It's tough to tell the audience this is what you're getting and not give it to them.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

I was praising, like, wow, physical sets and oh, isn't it framed kind of and by then I was like, this is fucking dope. I am sick of this shit.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

So what they do is they do fun sort of quick cuts to the predators getting ready, almost like Batman and Batman and Robin. It's like one item, two items, their butt, their belt, their chest, another item, a gun. Like, and it's all got sounds of like wch wouch wouch. It's very comedic.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

I loved it. I quite like it. At this point, the aliens shoot down a massive laser into the pyramid. Yeah. Big tunnel. Love the tunnel. The tunnel's doing a lot of stuff for me.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

They're like, let's go down the tunnel.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Tunnel looks good.

SPEAKER_02 28:26

It's one of those things where I think the safety officer should probably go, let's not do the tunnel thing.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

I think the tunnel is crazy. Because one, it's look, it's about like, I want to say like a 15-degree angle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

It's a lovely slide.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

It's a lovely slide. I don't know why they don't just slide down. They're all they're there's It's icy too.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

It's ready to be to slide down.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

It's perfect for Mario Kart.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

Shocked that penguin from earlier in the movie wasn't like, whee!

SPEAKER_01 28:52

Everybody follow me! Jump on my back. No, but they do descend to the pyramid. Um one of the guys is like um their their linguist, I guess, is just like this is Aztec, Egyptian, and Mayan. Yeah. And I got I don't know how that works. Uh I'm not a history buff, but I gotta tell you, I think that doesn't work. But actually, you know what? I don't know. So I won't I won't mention I won't talk on it. And that's being uh that's being the this is a Paul W.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

Anderson classic. He's clearly done the research. He wouldn't have not done the research.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

The Rosetta Stone, I assume, was founded in Antarctica.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

I like the line, it's like finding Tutan Carmen's DVD collection. That's good stuff. That was something that really I that resonated with me to say they shouldn't have this technology. Nope.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 29:41

It's blowing up you know, I what would happen to the world if they found like a relic that was technology? Wouldn't that just blow the minds over and they'd be like, oh fuck it, civilization was here beforehand and they got it.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

100% they nailed it constantly, and they were just like, Did aliens build the pyramid? They're like, no, I think they just had like math and cranes and stuff. And they're like, oh bummer. Yeah you know, ancient uh Greece had uh billboards, which I think's really fun. Yeah, they're gonna add it for uh you kne you knew that? Oh, okay, good.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

I was yes ending. Now say a billboard, and I'll like one for Pepsi under Disney Plus, as a good callback should be.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

No, no, Ridley Scott in uh what's it called? Gladiator had a big uh billboard for Pepsi Call. Every good gladiator drinks a cup of Pepsi before finding a lion. Gives them the strength, you know. Gives them the strength. Like Red Bull gives you wings, but Pepsi gives you like lots of luck as well. Lion taming power. As a tagline, it doesn't hit the same and look, the PepsiCo did get rid of it, but God, it's still there in their recipe. What a dream. It's good stuff, right? It's good stuff. Now we get to this pyramid, someone steps in a little uh lever, and we get introduced to now the alien.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

Yeah. This was disappointing. Whoa. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 30:56

I was enjoying uh seeing an an alien squeeze out some eggs, and I enjoyed the lore of oh, I'm intrigued. Why is this alien locked up? Is that the queen or is that the king? Or are they more of a unisex sort of situation?

SPEAKER_02 31:10

Interesting. You're and I guess maybe if you don't know the stuff, it's it's maybe more interesting.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

But I think one of the- I feel like we talked down to now, just I'm just like, I really liked it. You're like, um, I guess if you know the lore, it's actually pretty fucking stupid.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

It's not that I think it's stupid. I think a a part of the movie is the characters going, what's this egg? And what does this thing do? And what does it mean? But because if you're here, you probably know most of what an alien is. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

That it's like Oh, I'm I'm fully aware what's going on.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

That I just think it's like, well, the mystery component of them trying to figure out what's happening is sort of useless because I don't think it's very it's not intriguing, and you have a majority of the answers yourself from other films. Yes. So I don't know why they haven't gone for a a different setup or a different I don't know why they haven't gone for something different to keep fans more on edge or into the film.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

Is is is the establishment that sorry, is it has it been established that predators hunt aliens?

SPEAKER_02 32:13

It's no, that hasn't been established. But I don't think I no, I don't think the in like the interior mystery of what these people are discovering feels interesting enough to sustain the film. Yeah I think it's it's lazy screenwriting to be like they just hunt each other. Yeah, okay. Can that can has that mystery sustained an hour 40? I don't think so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

Oh, the mystery's gone. Yeah, I think that's just to get them in involved, really. I don't think they care about the mystery. No, it's just how do we clog these guys together? And I'll be honest, at this point, I'm just like, so they're obviously the weaker ones, you know. I want I think when you're sold on the tin, you're like, oh, I want to see what these guys do. They're almost plomped on earth, and they've got to do their own thing.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

And their whole like dump is through history, aliens have always like lost. Yeah. So the answer's there. The answer's there. I know.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

And I just don't think the predators, I guess they had the big gun.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

But in the end, in the end, it is a stalemate. Yeah. And that's it. That's what's great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

That's what's really good about the film. I can't remember. I just thought I'm just like one alien on one predator ship, I think we're done. Unless it gets a lot of eggs squirted out.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

You know, a better a better movie is simply the movie alien, but all the people are predators. That's what I thought the style is. That's what the fucking movie should be.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

That's what I thought it was going to be. Yeah. You know?

SPEAKER_02 33:34

That's what it should just be.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

I mean, dialogue-wise, might be a bit iffy, but this dialogue's pretty shitty anyway. So even if it's a silent film, I'm happy for that.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

I just do the new Predator movie, just um, had you be able to understand their language, so it was English. Oh, okay. That worked fine. Is that Prey? No.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

No, Prey didn't do that. They they they uh Badlands, Predator Badlands. Yeah, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

So that way El Fanning could talk to the Predator. Christ. Thank Christ.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

If Miss Fanning can't, then I will not be watching.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

Absolutely right. Wish Dakota could hear. Wish she knew too.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

It's tough for her, but ever since ever since the accident, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

Yeah, yeah. It's a big accident. Uh there's three predators in the movie. I wasn't expecting there to be this many. I always thought in the back of my mind there was just one. But there's there's three. Yeah, there's three. Your swell of a choice. Yeah. Now, is the fact that the two of them die the reason that one predator's like, ah, you should help me?

SPEAKER_01 34:35

I think so. I think, I think predators famously are like wolves, they go in packs, uh, but they also get lonely and they just want a friend, you know? And I think here's the thing if they can see a fighter or someone who's gonna survive because of through competency, because they're a good protagonist, they're like, you know what, I'll get you on board, you know? I want to stick with you. Now, we do get introduced to our predators, they have shot the laser down. I think the originally their plan was to shoot the laser down, grab their guns, and then go predator hunting like they do every hundred years. To me, this is just them like going fox hunting, right? Yeah, like it feels like more like a sport. I guess they're sort of doing like a religious thing.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

They're they're going to hunt foxes, and when they get there, there's a bunch of rabbits. Yes. There's a bunch of well, let's just kill the rabbits.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

I think even less. They're like there's a bunch of like little ants, you know? And the foxes like or chickens. Yeah. And the foxes like eating the chickens, but we should probably get rid of the chickens because it kind of spoils our whole fox hunting thing, you know?

SPEAKER_02 35:36

Yeah, it's distracting the foxes too much and making the foxes easy to kill. Yes. So let's kill the chickens.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

Yes. And they start going that. Now, uh as long as uh the setting for the pyramid is it's sort of like a wacky house of mirrors sort of situation. I have no functional idea what the point of this is for the predators or the aliens.

SPEAKER_02 35:57

Don't know how it was built, why it was done in the name of the aliens.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

It's a very Coney Island-esque sort of situation.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

It's very, it feels like something Nicholas Cage would get caught up in a national treasure.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

Oh my god, you saw John Voigt running around because he was the predator.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

If this was National Treasure Aliens versus Predators, that would be sick. If a cast of National Treasure was down here in the middle of trying to learn what he has to do.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

Did you imagine Riley doing a bit of, you know. Oh my god. Oh my god. Him doing and him finding clues.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

Does oh my god Riley being like, kill me? There's an alien in me.

SPEAKER_01 36:29

Honestly, you know what I'd actually love to see a versus DaVinci Code versus National Treasure. Those two That's good. Those two going up against him, that'd be crazy.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

Two bad haircuts. Who will win?

SPEAKER_01 36:42

That would go crazy. That would go nuts. It's like an ocean's 12th, the best one. I'll say it.

SPEAKER_02 36:48

That's it would do so well. Dan Brown meets whoever wrote National Treasure. God, genius.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

But yeah, no, we get into this wacky little maze. A lot of our cast die, like seconds in.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

Really quickly. It was an issue for me in the movie, is the they start dying, and then they all die really quickly, to the point that there's only two of them left with like 48 minutes to go.

SPEAKER_01 37:13

That's a lot. So we we lose like uh blonde lady with the gun.

SPEAKER_02 37:16

We lost we I like I liked the moment the chest hugger came out. Yes, by the way. I liked the slow-mo, I thought the effects were good. I like how she spammed with the gun. That was great. Yes. There's occasionally some directing I like where they can't show the violence, but then I think afterwards it is just a lot of off-screen killing and it gets pretty boring.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

It would get a lot of people. Honestly, I think most people get killed by just various trapdoors. You know, trapdoors are really that should be chucked into the verse there.

SPEAKER_02 37:44

It should be yeah, it should be aliens versus predators versus traps. Which is A V P T, which is good.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Which is good.

SPEAKER_02 37:50

It's the only way to find it. If you are trying to find it online, A V P T. Yeah. A V P V T.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

Oh, whoa, okay. Fuck. I'm a bit scared now. Otherwise, then it's predator traps. Yeah, then that's just, and that's just not on. Um, but yeah, no, we do lose uh blonde bombshell. We learn train spotting.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

Blonde bombshell.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

He was I've just thought I literally wrote down like blonde bombshell and train spotting. What a duo. Seconds later, they are mauled to death by the predator and the alien. Um we lose, and I think we're we've lost our our uh Mr. Cube Man. He does not go in the same way, which is a shame. I believe, which is unfair, because there was a net that could have cubed him. Be nice to be cubed twice. Be good.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

It would have been a nice um a nice callback, yes, you know.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

Waylon doesn't die uh immediately, but he is a predator scans him and sees he has like, I think, lung cancer and doesn't kill him. Is that a lore thing I'm missing?

SPEAKER_02 38:44

He's it's not worthy prey. Great stuff. There's no they are they are here to hunt. Yeah, great. So and it's a the Yeah. I think according to that new movie, it's it's they also like it's the the culture of a predator is to return having killed sort of the biggest game that was there when they landed. So there's no point to killing a sick man. Yeah, there's no honor.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

I wanted to make a reference to the the the new Spider-Man movie that we watched with the guy who uh is married to the um old lady. It's already a long way around it. Oh my god, say it again. Alright, what's the new Spider-Man villain movie with the guy who's married to the CEO wife who's like 40 years older and Morpheus? Not Morpheus, but it's the other one. Madame Webb? No, it's the other one. It's the third one.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

Vulture Craven.

SPEAKER_01 39:37

Craven the Hunter? Craven the Hunter. These these predators are like Craven the Hunter, and that's the joke. Wasn't that worth it? Wasn't that a good I'm glad it was seamless, and that's what I'm all about, you know? I know that if this podcast is live, the phone lines are burning up. Live? Yeah. I just delete this straight away. This gets burned into a record player, and then we get thrown out of the window. How dare you? No, okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

Yeah, so they're all do you want to talk about any of these kills? I sort of I don't think any of them really leave a big impact on me. When the train spotting guy dies, I was like, nah.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

That isn't Mark. I like he gets a gun, like he re-struggles for it, and then he looks up as like 50 eggs like bummer. Yeah. Um, I did like uh it's essentially Pepsi and our girl left. Again, I can't remember his name. Uh they run and jump over uh how does he die? I feel like he just dies.

SPEAKER_02 40:29

He gets taken away by an alien, yeah. Yeah. Because he's got it in him. Yeah. So it's pretty it's really powerful. It's good stuff. It's shows how competent she is. She's willing to kill for the good of humanity. He has an incredible line I've never heard of before. Which is the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Yeah. And I went, wow. That is a weird one.

SPEAKER_01 40:53

And then they kind of just always repeat it out loud. They're kind of like, enemy of my enemy is my friend. Oh, okay, the predator. Okay, we'll we'll go make the code.

SPEAKER_02 41:00

But he's like, but why would we team up with the predator? And she's like, say the line again to yourself. And he's like, The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

It's like the predator. It's like a riddle. It's like a riddle.

SPEAKER_02 41:09

I feel like it's like an enigma. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

Wrapped in a riddle. A doctor is brought a kid is brought in. And the doctor says I can't perform on this kid. He's my son.

SPEAKER_03 41:33

But then it clicks. But then it clicks.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

Oh, we gotta kill, we gotta kill the alien with the predator. I got it. I got it. In fairness, I've I guess the alien can't be rationalized with it, but I do think probably the alien.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

We never know that. Nobody tries anymore. Yeah, everyone's talks of the alien.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

No one gives it a go. No one's willing to pull up their bootstraps and give chat to the alien.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

These aliens have been chilling with humans for years. You know, maybe they were out of the eyes. Yeah, exactly. Maybe there was something lovely. Maybe we had to connect it. Maybe they were dogs to us. You don't know. We just don't know. I think it's interesting that an alien can live for so long. Because that that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 42:13

That queenish that queen is squirting out eggs. I guess what are they?

SPEAKER_02 42:17

What are squirting out eggs? I was like, there's major ants vibes. Oh my god. And that's and that's big ants vibes.

SPEAKER_01 42:23

Isn't it nice that even though like someone's made like an alien, it still produces exactly like an ant? You know, we just mentally cannot figure out another way for somebody to be. It has to squirt out an egg. That's the only way it can do. That's life. That's life, baby. Yeah. Yeah. If we haven't met aliens, they're like, no, we just we just sort of uh think about each other that sort of morphs there. Why would we shut out an egg? A wet egg? That's very weird. I wish we shat out eggs. You don't? Okay. Bum. Must be nice.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

Um the queen's like, we're gonna we're gonna get this shit together. Yeah. So all of the all of the alien hands, is it the face huggers that come and start like, or is it other aliens that come out?

SPEAKER_01 43:03

Other aliens start squirting them with acid, the chains, and they release the queen, raise the queen.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

And now we're in a chase from the beginning of the film. Yeah. I I love the beginning of the movie was like, we're setting up this one place and it'll pay off at the end. You go, great.

SPEAKER_01 43:18

Go wait. When she gets there, you go, it's a place from the beginning. Place from the beginning. Now we have I think we've been glossing over. The the woman and the predator have essentially teamed up.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:28

Um it is quite sexually charged.

SPEAKER_02 43:31

The chemistry is palpable. Yeah. It's absolutely palpable.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

Yeah, I don't know what I don't know whether that's because the the the movie has not had any. Uh but actually I don't think that. I think it's just a well written romance.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

I yeah, I it's it's unfortunately just very well handled. Yes. It's it's very good, it's very well written. Um mostly I think it's incredible acting from whoever is the predator.

SPEAKER_01 43:54

I can I say I thought the stunt work was fantastic. And I think there is good stunt work. Brace the Predators and the Aliens. It's really good.

SPEAKER_02 44:02

I don't think, look, and this is something from this guy as a director. Um sometimes his movies look like crap. But when I think in the 2000s when he was forced to have to use sets and do interesting stump work, this guy was pretty good at being able to do that. I thought this was a good thing. Resident Evil has great waifu and stuff like that, though. So he's always it holds up.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

That's the best part.

SPEAKER_02 44:25

This is probably one of his few ones that hold up visually, I think. The Resident Evil ones look pretty dated now. Like the CGI use and everything.

SPEAKER_01 44:31

I feel like they'll like use the dogs for 10 minutes. You're like, I don't want to say this yucky dogs. Um but no, we essentially get uh into the the start of the ice cave. I like when the predator and the woman jump on the sled and slide up.

SPEAKER_02 44:43

That was really fun. It's them working together. Exactly. That's what makes you think, wow, a little bit of Ross and Rachel romance happening then.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

They're on again, they're off again. It's it's quite nice. They have a they have a charged moment where he's like, let me like uh give you the mark of a hunter. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 45:00

This was this was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

Yeah. This I loved this. Yeah. And she's down immediately. She's like, fuck it. I want the mark me, baby.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

She's like, she's like, mark me. I take phone calls on mountains. I don't give a fuck. I'm extreme fucker.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

I'm early 2000s extreme. I'll do anything.

SPEAKER_02 45:18

I've done shit you haven't even done before.

SPEAKER_01 45:21

Mark me, baby. I've got a tribal tattoo booked in for Monday. Fuck it. Fuck it. Face to wire. I'm doing Mike Tyson. Yeah, I'm taking his shit. I'm doing his thing now.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

I miss many episodes of the wire, and I still tune in because I think I can catch up. Fucking hell, that is that's bowler in 2000.

SPEAKER_01 45:39

That's crazy. Yeah. Right? What a reference, you know.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

Someone's gonna be out there going, well, I just thought it was a very clever 2000s reference by Moire. Yeah. That's why I brought it up. Totally. Um, and if you thought that was very good, you can email us.com. And it is very good.

SPEAKER_01 45:57

You know, I won't accept any critiques, just praise. Just praise. I mean, that's really all we're really uh going for, guys. The email is suggestions, bit praise sprinkled.

SPEAKER_02 46:05

We will ignore an email that isn't praise, and we won't reply to praise. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:12

I want the serotonin with none the work. How about that? Absolutely. Absolutely. God, it's a rush.

SPEAKER_02 46:17

Um, I don't think it's much of a climax, if I'm being honest.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

You don't think the the queen predator and the uh you don't think the xenon You don't think the alien fuck. Wait, wait, wait, we get this, they'll get this, they'll get this. You don't think the alien queen and the predator doing essentially a uh tug of war isn't the verse we've been expecting?

SPEAKER_02 46:42

The fact a screenwriter was like, we don't want to see them fight, we want to see who would win in company retreat games. Put them, put them in little fights. Tug of war, footy, which hide and seek.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

That's what they want to see. I'm talking bull rush, I'm talking various wipeout courses. It's um yeah, no, I feel like honestly, it's a shame that the best pred like the best hunter and the queen really just toss and turn and don't really fight.

SPEAKER_02 47:13

Because I feel like you want to see I want to see fists connecting, tails stabbing, I want to see acid going everywhere. If I was an investor on this movie and they'd like done the little screening to be like, hey, this is what the movie's like. I I like that that sheep is like, hey guys, I'd be like, What the fuck have I paid for? You told me I was getting an alien vs. Predator film. I didn't invest in this.

SPEAKER_01 47:35

I will say the first fight I think we see is probably the best one. That's when they're sort of hand-to-hand kind of showing, like, I've got a knife or I've got a tail. You're like, whoa.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

It had that great slow-mo where he like busts the alien through a wall, and they were like a never again. And I was like, no, more of that one. Totally. If I the main like nostalgia piece I have for this movie in my brain is there was like a DVD campaign at the beginning of DVDs to get you to not pirate and watch things on Blu-ray and DVD, and they used snippets from this movie initially. And that's why it's that and diehard 4.0, and it just it rings in my mind forever.

SPEAKER_01 48:15

Isn't that crazy? That's probably like just in hindsight, a dreadful sell. Like, hey, don't steal our movie. Check out Die Hard on Blue Die Hard 4.

SPEAKER_02 48:23

It's an incredible pitch. It's a guy go this guy's invited friends around to watch a movie, but he's pirated it. And it's some of it's in Spanish, and it's glitching, and nobody really likes it. But these guys over here, they're watching Alien vs. Predator from the video store on a DVD, and they're having fun.

SPEAKER_01 48:40

Yeah, scratched the shit, and quite frankly, just a guy who smoked way too much weeds recommended it to me and was not a good was not right. I'll look for a rom-con.

SPEAKER_02 48:49

A 14-year-old at the DVD store didn't clean the DVD before they gave it back to me and tossed it at me as an overnighter.

SPEAKER_01 48:57

God, they must have been. What a what a job, huh? What a fucking job. What a job. Because you had so much you had so much power and yes, and none, and you didn't deserve it. You didn't deserve it. Not at all. God bring him back? No.

SPEAKER_00 49:10

No.

SPEAKER_02 49:12

Anything else you want to mention? The alien wins. He's on the ship at the end.

SPEAKER_01 49:16

Yes, the alien is at the on the on the ship at the end. But I I my my big concern is the fact that I just think it is it when you say that one is essentially hunted for just for just cuz, and there's one scene where they almost show, I want to say I'm not being joked, a billion aliens climbing the pyramid and three predators kind of sorting out with A's. I just think, like, what am I doing here, you know?

SPEAKER_02 49:42

Yeah. You know what I think it'd be more impressive? Taming an alien. Can it be done?

SPEAKER_01 49:47

Can you love an alien? Can you love an alien? You know, they they say the biggest prey is to kill, but you know.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

Is it really to love? Yeah. I'll tell you right now, if you want that answer, you should watch Alien Earth.

SPEAKER_01 49:57

I gotta tell you as well, uh, honestly, the the idea of someone called a predator trying to learn to love, probably not probably not great. Probably need uh Z from Angus.

SPEAKER_02 50:07

Just at the end, just being like the Predator learned to love. Yeah. Aren't we happy the Predator found love?

SPEAKER_01 50:14

Was it consensual? Shut up. Get the hell out of here. He's a predator. Of course it wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

Predators are gonna pray.

SPEAKER_01 50:27

Carl, who would watch Alien vs Predator AVP?

SPEAKER_02 50:33

It is it is tough. Yeah. It's really tough to try and work out who this is for because it it's just such a deeply unfulfilling film.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

I gotta tell you, as someone who's just rocked up to this franchise, both of them, and dare I say may have been spoilt some of the best films uh of of all time. Uh I think it was, dare I say, the introduction I needed to get me sort of enticed, you know. How how big? This this whole universe exists? Uh color me intrigued, you know? Color me intrigued. And I think, honestly, for 90 minutes, I think when you walk in with just uh, you know Mine was an hour 48. Oh, well, it was 90 minutes with credits and stuff. I sat through them. You sat through them. Wait, an hour forty. Mine was an hour forty, actually. You always how do you even find an extended cut?

SPEAKER_02 51:22

Who do I think it's for? Who do I think would watch this? I think it's only for people that when they were with their friends debating about who would win in an alien versus predator fight, it's only for the people that said predator. Yeah. I think if you said alien, you're gonna be deeply disappointed with how your team is conveyed in the film.

SPEAKER_01 51:43

I think it's fucking horseshit, quite frankly. I feel like the person who made this was like, I'm a big fan of Predator. The aliens are scared. Like, that's your you're twisting the knife, you know, you're twisting the narrative. I think, quite frankly, when it was a one-on-one, it seemed like it was a pretty even fight, you know? Yeah. Granted, the predator's whole thing is that we want to we have almost like a religion around it, so there's like stakes there. Whereas the aliens just sort of defending itself, because why not? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:07

I just think it's anything the aliens are victims. Yes. They're just vermin trying to breathe. It's a horrible way to live. Yeah. And yeah, I just think it's unfair. Yeah. If you want a free little alien, you can donate via us wwwtpodcast at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01 52:24

Yeah, we'll or squeeze a little egg in you, huh?

SPEAKER_02 52:27

We're fighting for more eggs everywhere. Squeezed out and wet.

SPEAKER_01 52:31

Sweat eggs all around.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

Whoever made the choice like in that original alien movie, to say these aliens are just like covered in goo and sweat. It was so genius. Like, I wish more things had like more texture and stuff in them. It's an incredible idea to go, this is like this creature design is sweaty and gross.

SPEAKER_01 52:52

I love it as well, because it's also like I can't remember what architect is it aliens all based on these amazing, like graphic uh sort of pictures that they did, like all the design, it's all that like I can't remember, it's cool, but like essentially all that leather stuff and that circle stuff. So that looks amazing, and I think it's so sleek and modern. So the fact that they've just also gone, let's just add so much slime to it, just that contrast of like that sleekness, it looks like so nice to touch. It's kind of like a like a killer whale, but slimy.

SPEAKER_02 53:20

Good stuff. Yeah, I've never been a huge fan of the design of a predator.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

The mouth thing, the little or or the head. The dreadlocks, the dreadlocks always gets me.

SPEAKER_02 53:29

Yeah, the head and the dreadlocks. I love them with their mask off. I think that's always really great. I always love seeing them. It's usually always a really good animatronic. Like, it's usually just really awesome. But I think you could see their eyes. I was like, wow, that's a human behind that. That's great. The alien, I think, is the far superior one. Oh, if there's one huge compliment I can give the movie, I think the poster is incredible. Oh, them like looking at the just the two of them on the white. Like, I think you see that in a DVD saw back in the 2000s. I'm sorry, you you hire that DVD. Yeah, I know 100%. Like you it's you know, you know what?

SPEAKER_01 54:03

We were shitting on them calling it AVP, but look at the poster. Look how it's a great poster. No, no, no, but look how good AVP looks. Like, it actually would be ruined if they just said AV.

SPEAKER_02 54:12

Yes, for sure. It's so good. AVP, fuck that. It's uh a level of marketing.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

I'm gonna get it as tattooed as a tramp stamp. Fuck it.

SPEAKER_02 54:20

It's so good. And also the fact that Alien on the poster is also like sweating and gooing too. It's uh whoever was behind that poster, um, 10 out of 10. Just because well done.

SPEAKER_01 54:31

God damn.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

It's kind of good. Now look at the poster for Alien Requiem. Alien vs. Predator Requiem. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 54:38

That looks horrible, Red. Absolutely horrible.

SPEAKER_02 54:48

Why is the world so small on the poster being overtaken by both?

SPEAKER_01 54:51

That looks horrible. It's absolutely terrible. I think the font looks shit. They made AVP look grab bad.

SPEAKER_02 54:56

Odd to go AVP alien versus predator, and then Requiem is like in a font that's in between the two fonts instead of the city.

SPEAKER_01 55:03

They were like, no one's gonna know what AVP stands for. It's like, you're an idiot. Stand by your laurels. We'll have to do that one.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

We'll be doing it next week.

SPEAKER_01 55:13

Do you want to do Freddy vs. Jason or do you want to do this?

SPEAKER_02 55:15

You want to tap in and tap out? Not crazy, it's not crazy.

SPEAKER_01 55:19

Here's the thing, guys. We're keeping you on your toes. You're gonna find out what we do next week.

SPEAKER_02 55:22

It's better for us if you haven't seen the film and don't know what's coming. Exactly. That way next week we can do like kindergarten cops.

SPEAKER_01 55:33

Thank you for listening.